DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

Indonesia has a friend in Japan, no lockdown and economy first. But Japan is one step ahead, 2 free cloth masks per household.

 
The employer is speaking BS. You are allowed to leave and if is possible, but it is hard or almost impossible to come back.

If you leave Indonesia you are allowed to come back trough a country free of coronavirus. Theoretically not many countries like that, or almost none.

Ive spoken to 2 seperate heads of immigration offices in Jakarta, neither wanted to answer in writing to my whatsapp question but basically the 14 days in a corona free country rule is ignored. If you have a kitas and a health certificate you'll get in.

Both of them said if I'm in this situation and have any problems to call them. They laughed and said unless im from North Korea, then I'll definitely have no problems coming in.

Anyway, its all verbal.
 
If he were not to allow people to leave then millions stuck without money or food would presumably start rioting. No easy solutions.

I think a lot is in the message, currently:

"We will not stop mudik"

Vs

"We encourage you to not pulang kampung and save your (grand)parents"

Would make a big difference.

Get some Muslim organization to issue a fatwah or at least remind the people that in their religion it is not allowed to endanger others and it would already be a totally different approach.
 
Ive spoken to 2 seperate heads of immigration offices in Jakarta, neither wanted to answer in writing to my whatsapp question but basically the 14 days in a corona free country rule is ignored. If you have a kitas and a health certificate you'll get in.

Both of them said if I'm in this situation and have any problems to call them. They laughed and said unless im from North Korea, then I'll definitely have no problems coming in.

Anyway, its all verbal.

I am not sure that the aircraft carrier would allow you to embark for Indonesia if you do not fulfil Government's conditions, otherwise, they would be responsible for your repatriation.

If you come by some miracle, you would need to negotiate with Immigration to let you in, and you know what it means.
 
I see that the President's advisory committee on Covid 19 has expressed doubts about any value with spraying and indicated that spraying people can have adverse consequences. Nonetheless the crazy spraying of everything and anything goes on without let. I wonder who the product supply beneficiaries are?
 
Spraying is with the disinfectant that is not for human use. Very ignorant thing, but as it is "invention" form some Indonesian universities, it is I suppose a matter of national proud.

At the same time, in Vietnam, disinfectant chambers are using ionized water, basically water and salt + blowing with ozone. Light years ahead.

https://www.theonlinecitizen.com/20...tion-chambers-designed-and-tested-in-vietnam/
 
I'm starting to think if I should buy my own ventilator or respirator (suitable for emergency home use when breathing becomes difficult), but where to buy and what type/model is available in Indonesia is the problem.
 
I'm starting to think if I should buy my own ventilator or respirator (suitable for emergency home use when breathing becomes difficult), but where to buy and what type/model is available in Indonesia is the problem.
Most people end up in hospital requiring oxygen, a much smaller % need to be put on a ventilator. Its also very unlikely that you can run a ventilator at home without proper hospital staff to run the machine. Most people with a bit of youtube training and some supplies (regulator/ tubing) could use an oxygen canister to supplement their breathing at home (I'm sure most people on here know this but in case there is an idiot reading this - oxygen is dangerous and needs to be carefully used/ stored).
I've also heard that CPAP devices for sleep apnea can help with milder symptoms (non-ventilator cases) but I haven't really looked into that properly but its something you could check as those devices are commercially available.
 
I'm starting to think if I should buy my own ventilator or respirator (suitable for emergency home use when breathing becomes difficult), but where to buy and what type/model is available in Indonesia is the problem.

Unless you have training, using ventilator at home is a no go. Even if you could find one.

An oxygen concentrator, on the other hand may be useful. Costs about $800. Buy online or any medical store. You can probably donate it to some state hospital after you survive Covid-19.... :unsure:
 
Some clear indications that the numbers of Covid-19 cases by the government are bunk:

Jakarta governor Anies Baswedan says that 401 deceased have been buried with Covid-19 protocol. The numbers are increasing daily: Thursday alone 38 were buried this way. The official death toll for Thursday was 13 for all of Indonesia.


West Java Governor Ridwan Kamil: Covid-19 cases are many multiples higher than official data. Out of 15,000 rapid tests in his province, 677 returned positive. The official count for W. Java is only 223 (Apr 2).

 
I think a lot is in the message, currently:

"We will not stop mudik"

Vs

"We encourage you to not pulang kampung and save your (grand)parents"

Would make a big difference.

Get some Muslim organization to issue a fatwah or at least remind the people that in their religion it is not allowed to endanger others and it would already be a totally different approach.

Maybe they're reading this forum?

 
Numbers? We don’t need no stinking numbers!

Maintain positive thinking and pray, the virus will go away!

-sarcasm-
 
I have both a bipap and cpap machine in Indonesia.

I‘ve read reports from the US, that nursing homes that had patients using them seemed to spread Covid-19 easier. Perhaps aerosolizing the virus more?
 
I'm starting to think if I should buy my own ventilator or respirator (suitable for emergency home use when breathing becomes difficult), but where to buy and what type/model is available in Indonesia is the problem.
Definitely not a ventilator unless you are pretty much at deaths door, also have the specialist staff, facilities and other equipment ...
As mentioned above, CPAP machines may be a better option. The ventilators are really the last chance saloon with their own complex set of issues, not least the introduction of bacteria.
 
You might want to look into baking soda... Just saw a post on FB from somebody in Holland, an elderly guy with heart problems who got the virus, his family too and they started using it, said it did him and his family a world of good.... There were people using it during the Spanish Flu epidemic and they swore it got them through it too....

 
Jakarta burials March 2019 vs 2020: 3,100 vs 4,400.
The number of infections and deaths in Jakarta has been significantly under-reported due to one of the world’s lowest rates of testing.

If we allow that half of the increase in deaths are due to Covid-19, that means 650 deaths. If we assume CFR to be 2% and time to death 10 days, that means ~32,000 cases in Jakarta 10 days ago.

 
Jakarta burials March 2019 vs 2020: 3,100 vs 4,400.
The number of infections and deaths in Jakarta has been significantly under-reported due to one of the world’s lowest rates of testing.

If we allow that half of the increase in deaths are due to Covid-19, that means 650 deaths. If we assume CFR to be 2% and time to death 10 days, that means ~32,000 cases in Jakarta 10 days ago.

Comparing the average number of total deaths on a weekly / monthly base in past years with the 2020 numbers is indeed the most reliable way to have an idea of the additionnal mortality happening this year. Very likely caused by the Cvirus.
 

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