DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

[dannyboy]

I tried that link but got an error message. I wonder if the article has been pulled as going to the website does not have an article as described. Perhaps threats of prosecution under the new false information laws.

try this:
https://www.thejakartapost.com/acad...sident-jokowi-you-need-professional-help.html

 

[dafluff]

Second COVID-19 death now, reportedly in Solo. Patient died on Wednesday, but not confirmed COVID-19 until today. Indonesia's stellar health department strikes again.

No history of travel abroad or contact with people from abroad. Reportedly the patient started having symptoms after returning from a seminar in Bogor.

Satu Pasien Isolasi yang Meninggal di RSUD Moewardi Solo Positif Corona

Jubir Pemerintah untuk Penanganan Virus Corona Achmad Yurianto mengatakan, hasil pemeriksaan pasien isolasi di RSUD Moewardi positif virus corona.

www.kompas.com

 

[jstar]

Still, the virus itself is one topic. But the economical effects make me even more afraid. Don't get me wrong. Avoiding death and ensure health of people is more important than economy, money, etc. But huge negative economical effects could lead to problems regarding life and health in the future as well. And if I watch the development on the stock market or the loss of value of some currencies, it makes me worry about the future situation in some countries.

Exactly, once bankruptcies, bank failures, job losses etc. hit, this will get extremely ugly. I think it is that prospect that is spooking the markets.
I feel I should take advantage of the dollar being almost 15,000, but will my Indonesian bank still be around in a few months?

The stock prices of European banks were going minus 20%, and airlines are being hit amazingly hard, as well as the tourist industry. And cancelation or postponing of big events as European Championship Football and Olympic Games and Tennis won't help either.

Some countries in Europe close all their schools till first week of April, as well as ALL restaurants, bars, cafés etc. Shops that don't sell food have to be closed during weekends. People are advised not to take public transportation anymore. And so on.

The (economic) impact is enormous.

 

[dafluff]

If you ever had any faith on Indonesia's health department of dealing with this, here is their COVID-19 spokesperson saying they will not lock-down areas, because doing so increases transmission within that area.

 

[Dave70]

Robert Redfield, CDC director, testifying to Congress, today admitted that virus deaths have been miscategorised as the flu.

He also stated that the standard practice has been to first test people for the flu and, if the test is positive, they stop there. They don’t test for the coronavirus.

So Japan and Taiwan were correct. Many of the US deaths attributed to the flu were actually from the coronavirus.

One Senator asked Redfield if post-mortems were performed to learn the cause of death, and he stated that such were done, and they revealed mis-diagnoses.

The infections and deaths have been knowingly mis-categorised for months, and the CDC ‘strongly’ recommended that hospitals not test for the virus except as a last resort. It is not an accident that the US has no reliable tests. They don’t want to test. Blame everything on the flu.

US CDC Director Robert Redfield Admitted that Coronavirus Deaths Have Been Miscategorized as Flu - Global Research

The US has been lying all along. Robert Redfield, CDC director, testifying to Congress, today admitted that virus deaths have been miscategorised as the flu. He also stated that the standard practice has been to first test people for the flu and, if the test is positive, they stop there. They...

www.globalresearch.ca

Now it looks like this novel coronavirus started in the USA and got into China during the Wuhan Military Games in October 2019.

 

[dafluff]

Robert Redfield, CDC director, testifying to Congress, today admitted that virus deaths have been miscategorised as the flu.

He also stated that the standard practice has been to first test people for the flu and, if the test is positive, they stop there. They don’t test for the coronavirus.

So Japan and Taiwan were correct. Many of the US deaths attributed to the flu were actually from the coronavirus.

One Senator asked Redfield if post-mortems were performed to learn the cause of death, and he stated that such were done, and they revealed mis-diagnoses.

The infections and deaths have been knowingly mis-categorised for months, and the CDC ‘strongly’ recommended that hospitals not test for the virus except as a last resort. It is not an accident that the US has no reliable tests. They don’t want to test. Blame everything on the flu.

US CDC Director Robert Redfield Admitted that Coronavirus Deaths Have Been Miscategorized as Flu - Global Research

The US has been lying all along. Robert Redfield, CDC director, testifying to Congress, today admitted that virus deaths have been miscategorised as the flu. He also stated that the standard practice has been to first test people for the flu and, if the test is positive, they stop there. They...

www.globalresearch.ca

Now it looks like this novel coronavirus started in the USA and got into China during the Wuhan Military Games in October 2019.

Umm....no.

Also GlobalResearch is a conspiracy theory site which among other things posts Anti-vax and chemtrails conspiracies. There is no room for anything they write in a reasonable discussion.

 

[dafluff]

Indonesian COVID-19 patient has escaped the hospital they were isolated in. The female patient disappeared from Persahabatan Hospital in East Jakarta, and was apparently picked up by her family. Eventhough this apparently happened last week, her current whereabouts are unknown.

1 Pasien Positif COVID-19 Melarikan Diri dari Isolasi RS Persahab

Jubir RSUP Persahabatan Dr. Erlina Burhan, menjelaskan ada 1 orang pasien positif virus corona yang keluar dari ruang isolasi tanpa izin dari tim medi

www.idntimes.com

 

[make_batik_great_again]

More than 30 new cases. Number of deaths raised to 4.

Indonesia's confirmed coronavirus cases more than double to 69

By Stanley Widianto JAKARTA (Reuters) - Indonesia on Friday reported 35 new coronavirus cases, including two toddlers, bringing its total to 69, as a rights group urged authorities to be more transparent about the spread of the virus in the world's fourth most-populous nation. Health Ministry...

whbl.com

 

[dafluff]

Positive cases more than doubled today, with 35 people adding up to a total of 69 cases. Also, the number of deceased increases to 4.

https://nasional.kompas.com/read/20...mbah-35-orang-hingga-jumat-ini-total-69-kasus

 

[fastpitch17]

I tried that link but got an error message. I wonder if the article has been pulled as going to the website does not have an article as described. Perhaps threats of prosecution under the new false information laws.

Worked fine for me.

 

[fastpitch17]

Positive cases more than doubled today, with 35 people adding up to a total of 69 cases. Also, the number of deceased increases to 4.

https://nasional.kompas.com/read/20...mbah-35-orang-hingga-jumat-ini-total-69-kasus

I doubt these numbers are anywhere close to the actual numbers. We only have to look at the quality of healthcare to know that people are given some pills and sent home with all kinds of illnesses the doctor can blame or guess at. There are probably many who never visited a doctor and died at home and of course, buried the same day without autopsie. Then add in all the reported negative testing that has already been shown to be suspect. No one knows how many actual cases there are and in all likelihood, never will.
This government had decided they want to play a dangerous game and people will die because of it. Wonder if they realize mudik is coming up?

 

[jstar]

Yeah, if the numbers from Europe and the US are questionable at best, you can imagine how it is over here.

What amazes me is that there are no clear directives. Yes, they close some amusement parcs, cancel car free days and delay a formula-E or so, but by this hush hush mentality people don't really know what to do, what to expect, etc. And then they hear the Ministry of Health is in fact not competent enough to tackle this.

Something else, is the practical absense of concentrated risk areas, like old people's homes. Since most oma's etc. live with their (grand)children, a quarantine and avoiding many contacts for elederly and weak is almost impossible. Also here, practically no information towards the general public.


And for 'flattening the curve' to avoid the Italian situation,

as what they achieved in Singapore and Hong Kong, something really needs to change. Then many more measures are necessary.

 

[dafluff]

Jakarta governor Anies Baswedan urges Jakartans to stay home starting Saturday. "I want to ask all the citizens of Jakarta to prioritize activities in their home and surrounding area," he stated at a press conference today. He also ask," As much as possible avoid going outside, unless it's urgent such as buying food or medical checks".

Previously he has also shut down all public venues under the Jakarta provincial government.

It's bloody amazing to me that so far the first sane voice in Indonesia's government is Anies freaking Baswedan...

Cegah Corona, Anies: Mulai Sabtu Besok Lebih Baik Tinggal di Rumah

Hindari keramaian kecuali yang penting.

www.viva.co.id

 

[dafluff]

Summary: WHO writes Jokowi to tell him to get his shit together.

In the letter, WHO also gave five points of actions that the Indonesian government must immediately take to prevent the virus from spreading. The five points are:

1. Improve emergency response mechanisms, including national emergency declarations

2. Educate and communicate actively with the public regarding appropriate risks and community involvement

3. Intensifying case finding, contact tracing, monitoring, contact quarantine, and case isolation

4. Extending COVID-19 surveillance using existing respiratory disease surveillance systems and hospital-based surveillance.

5. Test of suspected cases per WHO case definition, contact confirmed cases; testing patients identified through respiratory disease surveillance.

Further, WHO specifically asked Jokowi to build a laboratory with sufficient capacity and enable the team to identify the infectious groups so that the specimens could be taken immediately. This includes testing not only cases with positive patient direct contact, but for all patients suffering from severe flu to shortness of breath.

WHO Surati Jokowi Minta Segera Umumkan Darurat Nasional Virus Corona

WHO juga minta Jokowi membangun laboratorium dengan kapasitas yang cukup dan memungkinkan tim mengidentifikasi kelompok penularan virus Corona.

news.detik.com

 

[dafluff]

Maybe some of them are finally coming around?

The mayor of Solo, site of the 2nd official #COVID19 death in Indonesia took the bold step of basically locking down his city. Car free day, schools, performances, cancelled. Sports venues and tourist attractions closed.

Solo Nyatakan KLB Corona, Sekolah Ditiadakan, Tempat Wisata Ditutup

Wali Kota Solo, FX Hadi Rudyatmo, menetapkan status kejadian luar biasa (KLB) virus corona. #kumparanNEWS

kumparan.com

 

[harryopal1]

It seems like the Corona virus is a metaphor for death itself. You can run, you can hide under the bed, lock yourself in the cupboard, pray, burn incense and give money to the religion of your choice but sooner or later the virus will find you. Now whether it will be a slap on the wrist with a cough, a wheeze and pass the aspirin please or it has come to take you on the final journey it seems there is no one can tell you that.

"Ahh well", as Ned Kelly said just before they hanged him, "That's life."

 

[dafluff]

Indonesian health system at it again:

“He waited for three hours only to be rejected. The hospital said that my father did not need to get tested yet and mentioned some other reasons,” the son told The Jakarta Post on Friday.

The son later called a hotline managed by the Jakarta Health Agency to seek help. The hotline operator promised to contact him in a short time through the Whatsapp messaging app.

“I lashed out at them and threatened to make their poor response viral. They eventually agreed to an ambulance. We waited for almost three hours for the ambulance to arrive.”

The ambulance took his father to the Persahabatan Hospital. After taking a blood sample, the hospital discharged his father and asked him to self-quarantine while waiting for the results.

A day later, a health officer came to the father’s home to take a swab sample.

“Two days after that, they informed us that my father had tested positive for the coronavirus, and they took him to be treated at a hospital,” the son, who is now under self-quarantine, said.

There is no clear evidence about how the father was infected but the son suspected the virus had been transmitted by a relative, who is now being treated for severe pneumonia at a hospital (!!!).

COVID-19 patient rejected, waited for days for testing in Jakarta - City - The Jakarta Post

The family of a COVID-19 patient in Jakarta has said the patient was initially rejected by a hospital and underwent a sluggish screening process before testing positive for the virus.

www.thejakartapost.com

 

[Chiron]

A quite interesting study from China regarding a single bus trip from Wuhan, and the various people who were infected. This thanks to all of the cameras used in China to track people. The take-away here is that re-circulated air conditioned environments with an infected individual can spread this disease very effectively. That may be a somewhat positive factor in Indonesia as air conditioners in general are often rare in many locations, and it's a hot humid environment. That said, people do take buses for long distance travel. Having never taken one of these, I would think they do have re-circulated A/C systems on board. Passenger aircraft, may be different as they replace and filter the air at a fairly high rate (I still don't want to fly, but worth noting). Think also about small crowded spaces with A/C and fans. Even though hot and humid environments apparently slow down the aerosolized droplets, the modern convenience of A/C could weigh negatively on the infection rate.

 

[dafluff]

So much for the "can't spread in hot and humid areas" theory:

COVID-19 Mythbusters – World Health Organization

Highlighting some of the misinformation circulating on COVID-19

www.who.int

 

[make_batik_great_again]

So much for the "can't spread in hot and humid areas" theory:

View attachment 1308

COVID-19 Mythbusters – World Health Organization

Highlighting some of the misinformation circulating on COVID-19

www.who.int

I think noone on this forum had doubts on that. The theory that some believe or hope is true is that the virus does not spread so easily in hot and humid areas. And the picture that you posted is not contradicting (nor confirming) that.