I finally got KITAP - yaayy

[Daniel50]

I think if she chose to become Canadian she would choose to give up her Indonesian citizenship. She can always live in Indonesia but cant buy property.

 

[Davita]

There must be people who apply for a passport and no longer have the prior one after say 10 years.

I suppose the easiest way is to go according to the law. Canada doesn't care but Indonesia does. If a person chooses not to notify them then I guess you can cross the what should I do bridge if the decision to permanently return arises.

I think if she chose to become Canadian she would choose to give up her Indonesian citizenship. She can always live in Indonesia but cant buy property.

Once Indonesian citizenship is given up it isn't easy to have it returned....so a visa will be needed.

 

[bojog]

yes, they were pretty good when I went there..

 

[bojog]

^
Yes, you will have a NIK, David. Just search for it a bit, we discussed this a lot. Every person who resides here with KTP or SKTT has a NIK.

The KK for you, is just like the KTP OA, a rather simple request.


Edit: Just to re-iterate: There is an Immigration and a Civil registration. They are different tracks with different results. The first will get you a KITAS/P and MERP, the second a SKTT or KTP OA+KK. (With a unique number, a NIK.) You need to do both, whatever employers and agents tell you!

Yes,the SKTT issued by the catatan sipil has a NIK (Identity number).
The card itself states all the same data as a KTP except the religion, mine doesnt have religion on it. I don't understand why it would be necessary for a KITAP holder to have a KTP. It is duplicating what has already been done with CApil.

 

[bojog]

Can anyone elaborate on the info i have received from immigration staff at the KITAS/P counter in Jimbaran Bali.

OA married to WNI elegible for KITAS
Must be on KITAS 2 years before transferring to KITAP
or
If married 2 years, direct to KITAP.
One official did say that although married 2 years to WNI, must hold KITAS for 1 year before going to KITAP.

So basically can't go directly to the KITAS regardless.

 

[bojog]

If my first KITAS has expired while I am out of Indonesia and I have already been married 2 years to WNI, could I still be elegible to get the KITAP when we return to Indonesia or will I have to start all over again?

 

[Balilongtime]

If my first KITAS has expired while I am out of Indonesia and I have already been married 2 years to WNI, could I still be elegible to get the KITAP when we return to Indonesia or will I have to start all over again?

AFAIK , if your kitas is expired , then you now have no kitas - it's gone
..., therefore you are back to square one - ie; entering Indonesia on a tourist visa / sos bud etc, and start the whole process all over again.

 

[dafluff]

If my first KITAS has expired while I am out of Indonesia and I have already been married 2 years to WNI, could I still be elegible to get the KITAP when we return to Indonesia or will I have to start all over again?

A KITAP can only be had from a conversion to KITAS. If you are married to WNI for over 2 years, the conversion can be done the moment you get your KITAS. But you still need KITAS first.

You can read a forum members experience of doing just that in this thread: VITAS to KITAP in only 10 WEEKS!

 

[bojog]

A KITAP can only be had from a conversion to KITAS. If you are married to WNI for over 2 years, the conversion can be done the moment you get your KITAS. But you still need KITAS first.

You can read a forum members experience of doing just that in this thread: VITAS to KITAP in only 10 WEEKS!

But the immigration staff said can get a KITAP directly if been married to WNI for 2 years. I made a mistake in previous comment about goling directly to a KITAS, I meant directly to a KITAP.
Can you refer me to any quote in the Indonesian Immigration/visa regs that state that a foreigner must be on a KITAS first then transfer to the KITAP? It seems a contradiction for the immigration to say that one can go straight to KITAP if married for 2 years to WNI then say you have to be on KITAS for 1 year first. It's either one or the other.

 

[scouser59]

As I remember , from my kitas to kitap conversion a couple of years ago , the process ie documentation, requires kitas first not straight to kitap without kitas , .

 

[dafluff]

But the immigration staff said can get a KITAP directly if been married to WNI for 2 years. I made a mistake in previous comment about goling directly to a KITAS, I meant directly to a KITAP.
Can you refer me to any quote in the Indonesian Immigration/visa regs that state that a foreigner must be on a KITAS first then transfer to the KITAP? It seems a contradiction for the immigration to say that one can go straight to KITAP if married for 2 years to WNI then say you have to be on KITAS for 1 year first. It's either one or the other.

You don't have to be on KITAS for 1 year first, you can be on KITAS for just 1 second, and turn right back around and submit the conversion to KITAP. But you have to have a KITAS first, because KITAP from mixed marriage is only possible from conversion. And conversion to KITAP is only from KITAS.

Relevant law: Peraturan pemerintah no 31 2013. I have bolded the entries relevant to mixed marriage and ITAP.

Pasal 152
(1) Izin Tinggal Tetap dapat diberikan kepada:
a. Orang Asing pemegang Izin Tinggal terbatas sebagai rohaniawan, pekerja, investor, dan lanjut usia;
b. keluarga karena perkawinan campuran;
c. suami, istri, dan/atau anak dari Orang Asing pemegang Izin Tinggal Tetap; dan
d. Orang Asing eks warga negara Indonesia dan eks subjek anak berkewarganegaraan ganda
Republik Indonesia
.
(2) Izin Tinggal Tetap yang diberikan kepada Orang Asing sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) juga dapat
diberikan kepada:
a. eks subyek anak berkewarganegaraan ganda Republik Indonesia yang memilih kewarganegaraan asing;
b. anak yang lahir di Indonesia dari Orang Asing pemegang Izin Tinggal Tetap; dan
c. warga negara Indonesia yang kehilangan kewarganegaraan Indonesia di Wilayah Indonesia.

(3) Izin Tinggal Tetap bagi Orang Asing sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) diberikan melalui alih status.

(4) Izin Tinggal Tetap bagi Orang Asing sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (2) diberikan secara langsung tanpa melalui alih status.

Translation of bolded parts:
(1) ITAP shall be given to:
b. family due to mixed marriage

(3) ITAP for foreigners as in (1) will be given through conversion.

Also from that article, the only classes that may immediately get KITAP without conversion are: former dual citizens who opted out of WNI, children born to ITAP holder in Indonesia, WNI who lost WNI status within Indonesia.

 

[bojog]

You don't have to be on KITAS for 1 year first, you can be on KITAS for just 1 second, and turn right back around and submit the conversion to KITAP. But you have to have a KITAS first, because KITAP from mixed marriage is only possible from conversion. And conversion to KITAP is only from KITAS.

Relevant law: Peraturan pemerintah no 31 2013. I have bolded the entries relevant to mixed marriage and ITAP.



Translation of bolded parts:
(1) ITAP shall be given to:
b. family due to mixed marriage

(3) ITAP for foreigners as in (1) will be given through conversion.

Also from that article, the only classes that may immediately get KITAP without conversion are: former dual citizens who opted out of WNI, children born to ITAP holder in Indonesia, WNI who lost WNI status within Indonesia.

Thanks for that info. I will follow it up

 

[bojog]

AFAIK , if your kitas is expired , then you now have no kitas - it's gone
..., therefore you are back to square one - ie; entering Indonesia on a tourist visa / sos bud etc, and start the whole process all over again.

What does AFAIK mean?

 

[bojog]

Is it possible to get a time extension to renew a KITAS or do the KITAS to KITAP conversion?

 

[dafluff]

Is it possible to get a time extension to renew a KITAS or do the KITAS to KITAP conversion?

You have to extend your KITAS or convert it to KITAP while within Indonesia. If your KITAS expires outside of Indonesia, you start back from the beginning.

 

[bojog]

You have to extend your KITAS or convert it to KITAP while within Indonesia. If your KITAS expires outside of Indonesia, you start back from the beginning.

Damn!!!!

 

[Balilongtime]

What does AFAIK mean?

AFAIK means ; as far as i know .., note; these commonly used terms can easily be found by using google if you are unsure

.., there are many like this these days in this age of forums and computers .., some other examples are LOL (lots of laughs) .., or IIRC (if I recall correctly)

..., I have to keep googling them myself to keep up