Poor Indonesians Fatter Than The Rich.

[Felicity]

I blame dunkin donuts personally, their products are dog shit compared to their franchise counterparts in the west.
All deep fried chemicals colourings flavorings and additives. Certainly not a healthy choice.

I thought the poor wouldn't eat this consistently which will make them obese

 

[steveandpenny]

Ok heres my 2 cents. I just got back from the states for a 2 week visit and couldnt belive how many grossly fat people there are there. I havent been there for over a year and was shocked. I mean they have little motorcarts in y
The store for people too fat to walk down the lanes to get there crap food. It was a eye opener.
But i admit i ate so much good bread while i was there lol and brought back 20 lbs of cheese. So maybe i should see about one of those carts.
Here there is a influx of dunking donuts and buger places poping up serving crap and sugar but also a lot of places serveing fresh fish or lean chicken with veggies. Its the sorry want to be just like people in the states.

 

[Dan]

Americans make up a lot of excuses for why obesity is such a huge (har har) problem in our country. "Poor" Americans, and I use the quotes because I have a hard time accepting many Americans as truly doing without, are the fattest among us. The reason given is that poorer, "disadvantaged," whatever neighborhoods are "food deserts" where healthier choices are absent.

I can believe that in a place like New York City where tiny bodegas represent a sizeable portion of the market. How does that then explain a place like my city, New Orleans, where the people are even fatter despite having easy access to an entire Walmart full of both junk and healthy food? (also, the "super Walmarts" don't exactly have the produce hidden: it's the very first aisle.)

Nearly all Americans own cars, you can't really get anywhere in this country without one, so that's a major factor in lack of activity. We tend to work more frequently at desk jobs or jobs without manual labor, and we work longer hours thus cutting into exercise time. Fat shaming is now a big no-no, it has become more acceptable to be overweight.

The biggest contributor by far is just that we eat a lot of calories. Americans eat two to three times what a lot of their peers eat.

 

[Dan]

Medical ethics question: one of the slimmest periods for American women was the 50s and 60s. They weren't slim just because our diets were better, they weren't as bad as today but they weren't great either. They were slim because they had access to incredible amphetamines sold as diet pills, especially dexedrine.

I happen to love dexedrine, it's a very smooth, impressive amphetamine. It has some significant problems, chiefly its addictive properties, but it is a superb weight loss pill. There is a greater risk from mortality due to obesity than there is from an adverse cardiac event related to amphetamines. Wouldn't it therefore make sense to prescribe amphetamines to Americans to reduce their weight?

 

[colroe]

A look outside every Indonesian school gate at go home time will give a clue to obesity. Fried food and snack carts, food made almost entirely of sugar, and I guess made worse by the fact that the schools have very poor sport facilities or do not encourage physical activity.

 

[ChrisTex]

Dan, please behave. You are being very judgemental about obese people. Don't you know they can't help it. [/Sarcasm Off]

There are so many reasons why obesity is huge, but one of the main factors is, people stay inside more. I remember as a kid my parents telling me to go outside to play instead of staying inside playing a video game.

Another reason is believing whatever 'health' stuff they see, not doing any research on it, and wanting instant results. Diet soda is better than regular soda? Ok, I'll drink more diet soda. Weight loss pills guarentee to drop a few pounds in 3 days? Ya beauty!

 

[macvert]

I'm a bit bigger than I used to be because there's nowhere to run & nowhere to hide here, where can I get em' Dan?

 

[Anglian]

Well I didn't think it was long before the US got a mention, I was watching a crime programe on TV " Cops" I've never seen such huge people, their size would intimidate any criminal, basically Americans eat too much and sit on there fat arses just driving around, when I was in Dallas I suggested to my American co worker we go for a walk, his response, What and get mugged, as I was stopping in a hotel I started to skip lunch as I was just over eating, all the restaurant took great pride in serving up the largest meal, one place actually gave you a whole loaf of bread rather than small buns, mind we will also have to include the U.K. As well, I'm afraid I've seen the fastest and ugliest women,they have no pride, regards some food outlets there's a pub that sell a 4lb chicken with a huge helping of chips, if you can eat that you get a huge desert free, believe me some people wade through it as though it was a snack

Regarding Dans remark about fat shaming, definitely a no no, but then you would probably be in the minority if you tried it, I recall at school in the 50s there were no fat kids, but we had a lad join us in our final year, sadly for him he was fat, to add to his misery of piss taking he couldn't play football, his life was a misery

 

[steveandpenny]

Cant help myself but to say wtf! Dexies are you kidding might as well just smoke some crank. In my opion the states is a self inportant society that is so scared of their own shadows , its crazy.

Now yes im a old fart that ran away as soon as i could, when i was a kid , you got thrown out of the house early in the morning (during summer ) and were told to be home by dinner. Now a days you get arrested if you dont know where your kid is every hour of the day. Fear of child rapist or a terorist around every cornor is how you live now in the states.

Any wonder why billy weights 200 lbs at the age of 12, sitting in front of the tv playing vid games and eating Captain Kruch ( mmmm)

My story is i lost 30 lbs in 5 months moving to indonesia, got off a 5 year ride of pain killers ( bad back) , got off insulin, high blood pressure meds. By eating right with out trying too blood sugar is normal and blood pressure hasnt been this good in 20 years .
Now locals want to do anything they see on tv and movies , and eat crap. Tell them what it is!!

Ok off my soapbox

 

[Vanhelsing]

In the six months since I've left Indonesia I've gone fro m 90 kilos/198.5 pounds to 100 kilos/220.5 pounds and although at 6 foot 3 inches I can sort of carry it, I know I'm overweight. Poor eating habits and a sedentary lifestyle affects me a great deal more when living in the west for reasons to do with my psychology and motivation, I think. I kind of get depressed being here and can't be arsed moving my ass. I'm interested to get out and wander about in Indonesia getting exercise in the process, and with an abundance of cheap healthy food everywhere, I always feel healthier and fitter than when I'm back in Australia.

 

[Felicity]

With cheap and affordable foods everywhere here, maybe it's a matter of self control then. Have heard about the Marshmallow test?

 

[Dan]

There are so many reasons why obesity is huge, but one of the main factors is, people stay inside more. I remember as a kid my parents telling me to go outside to play instead of staying inside playing a video game.

Another reason is believing whatever 'health' stuff they see, not doing any research on it, and wanting instant results. Diet soda is better than regular soda? Ok, I'll drink more diet soda. Weight loss pills guarentee to drop a few pounds in 3 days? Ya beauty!

Pretty much this. Yeah, we had some window units when I was a kid but we never ran them. As a result it was just plain more comfortable outside my home than inside it. Video games weren't much fun either, everything I wanted to do was outside with my friends. And we played outside pretty much from sunrise to sunset and beyond.

Today I don't see as many children on the street, and I bought a house across the street from the one I grew up in. Part of that is demographics, the neighborhood is aging, but the other part is probably the influence of kids being zapped by games and their devices.

Hell, I'm guilty of it myself. I go outside to read and rarely to hunt, that's about it. As my kids get older I guess we'll play outside some more but damn, that's pretty much it.

It's an age of diversion.

 

[Dan]

Cant help myself but to say wtf! Dexies are you kidding might as well just smoke some crank. In my opion the states is a self inportant society that is so scared of their own shadows , its crazy.

Now yes im a old fart that ran away as soon as i could, when i was a kid , you got thrown out of the house early in the morning (during summer ) and were told to be home by dinner. Now a days you get arrested if you dont know where your kid is every hour of the day. Fear of child rapist or a terorist around every cornor is how you live now in the states.

Dexedrine and Desoxyn (pharmaceutical methamphetamine) are pretty different. Desoxyn is just way, way more potent. Both are appetite suppressants but it would be like taking Fentanyl for a headache.

The benefits outweigh the risks, obesity is the biggest health crisis in the United States. There are drugs that are relatively safe and effective, of which Dexedrine is one but there will be more to follow. I get that Dexedrine has a history of abuse, but it also has a lot of accepted medical uses. They prescribe it to pilots to increase their alertness. My mother has a prescription not for ADHD but to help her focus due to a rare disorder that causes "foggy" thinking.

Methamphetamine is pretty much in a whole other class by itself. It's not really a valid argument or comparison.

 

[waarmstrong]

The idea that every fat ass couch potato can pop a few pills to solve a lifestyle "problem" just rubs me the wrong way. Eating too much, and I mean too much of the wrong, meaning unhealthy, stuff is a choice. I know there are a myriad of excuses, but obesity is pretty much the consequence of personal free will decisions. Not surprising that those who are overweight to an unhealthy extent would look to drugs as the answer, rather than opting to exercising more while eating less.

 

[Dan]

The idea that every fat ass couch potato can pop a few pills to solve a lifestyle "problem" just rubs me the wrong way. Eating too much, and I mean too much of the wrong, meaning unhealthy, stuff is a choice. I know there are a myriad of excuses, but obesity is pretty much the consequence of personal free will decisions. Not surprising that those who are overweight to an unhealthy extent would look to drugs as the answer, rather than opting to exercising more while eating less.

The sentiment shared by the medical community for the past few decades.

Apparently, it hasn't worked.

 

[waarmstrong]

Put a tax on excess pounds and see what happens.

 

[Asun]

Put a tax on excess pounds and see what happens.

It's sort of done already via higher price in health insurance. Apparently, that doesn't work either.
Gaining and losing weight is a simple matter of calorie in vs out. You can't violate the law of physics. Although there are variations in everyone's metabolism rate but in the end, physics rule.

 

[fastpitch17]

Put a tax on excess pounds and see what happens.

They don't pay taxes now. What makes you think they will start for this? Put a tax on things with high caloric counts and the back street suppliers will just move in with untaxed products made in the comfort of their own dingy kitchens.

 

[Dan]

They don't pay taxes now. What makes you think they will start for this? Put a tax on things with high caloric counts and the back street suppliers will just move in with untaxed products made in the comfort of their own dingy kitchens.

You can still tax their refundable tax credits...

 

[Saudade]

A look outside every Indonesian school gate at go home time will give a clue to obesity. Fried food and snack carts, food made almost entirely of sugar, and I guess made worse by the fact that the schools have very poor sport facilities or do not encourage physical activity.

totally true and people going with the motorbike even to the corner of their street!!!