How to obtain Indonesian Citizenship

[centurion]

Could you tell us the related Regulation ? The PerMen 21/2020 or PerMen 10/2024 do not mention that , as far I quickly saw .

From a quick look , it does not replace but only change (no relevant change , as far as I quickly saw - the interview content did not change).

Again , could you tell us the related Regulation ?

Pasal 2(1)
Kewarganegaraan Republik Indonesia dapatdiperoleh melalui permohonan Pewarganegaraan.
(2) Permohonan Pewarganegaraan sebagaimanadimaksud pada ayat (1) diajukan oleh pemohon kepada Presiden melalui Menteri dan dilaksanakansesuai dengan ketentuan peraturan perundangundangan.
So this is for Permohonan Pewarganegaraan (naturalization). Spouse route is Permohonan Pendaftaran Kewarganegaraan Melalui Pernyataan (application trough a statement). In the first case it is approved by the President, in the second by the Minister.

 

[marcus]

...I am married to an Indonesian citizen for 6 years and have resided here for 6 consequent years...

Before, Ms "3 sisters" stated that she didn't need to go through any interview through online application, is it still the same? ...

Until now the newest rule I found is from 2016 , so the 2018's posts from 3 sisters and centurion are probably still valid .

Sorry for my wrong answers in my former post no.352 .

So after centurion (post no.357) gave me a few clarifications , I searched the Regulation related to your situation (but still not sure if there is a revision to it) :

PerMen no.36 Year 2016 - ABOUT PROCEDURES FOR SUBMITTING A STATEMENT TO BECOME AN INDONESIAN CITIZEN (free translation)

Article 1
In this Ministerial Regulation, the following terms are defined as:
1. Applicant is a foreigner who is legally married to an Indonesian.

Article 2
(1) An applicant may obtain citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia by submitting a statement to become an Indonesian citizen.

Article 5
(1) ...the applicant must upload the following documents:
a. a photocopy of the applicant's birth certificate that has been translated into Indonesian by an official sworn translator and has been legalized by an authorized official;
b. a photocopy of the applicant's KTP or SKTT that has been legalized by an authorized official;
c. a photocopy of the applicant's spouse's birth certificate that has been legalized by an authorized official;
d. photocopy of the applicant's spouse's identity card that has been legalized by an authorized official;
e. photocopy of the applicant's marriage certificate/marriage book from the applicant's spouse that has been translated into Indonesian by an official sworn translator and legalized by an authorized official;
f. original certificate from the immigration office at the applicant's place of residence stating that the applicant has resided in Indonesia for at least 5 consecutive years or at least 10 non-consecutive years;
g. original police record certificate issued by the Headquarters of the National Police of the Republic of Indonesia that is still valid;
h. original certificate from the representative of the applicant's country stating that if the applicant obtains citizenship of the Republic of Indonesia, the person concerned will lose his or her citizenship;
i. original certificate of physical and mental health from a government hospital;
j. 6 latest color photos of the applicant measuring 4 x 6 cm with a red background, dressed neatly and politely; and
k. original proof of payment of the process to become an Indonesian citizen.

 

[Mambojambo]

None of the above

So what I understand from your posts here is that you were not asked about your income. Plus you were not interviewed? Correct me if I am mistaken ma'am. You just did everything online?

 

[Bad_azz]

So what I understand from your posts here is that you were not asked about your income. Plus you were not interviewed? Correct me if I am mistaken ma'am. You just did everything online?

I did all the running around to police and immigration in the middle of the pandemic lockdowns.
I then submitted to AHU online AND hard copy.
I do not do any AHU interviews.

 

[Mambojambo]

I did all the running around to police and immigration in the middle of the pandemic lockdowns.
I then submitted to AHU online AND hard copy.
I do not do any AHU interviews.

Ma'am, I need to ask one more thing.

The article says 5 consecutive years. But in my third year I went out of Indonesia only for 27 days for my home country. Does that violate the 5-consecutive-years rule ?

 

[Dave70]

Is it easier for WNA wife than a WNA husband? I understand Indonesia is a patriarchal society.

 

[Bad_azz]

Ma'am, I need to ask one more thing.

The article says 5 consecutive years. But in my third year I went out of Indonesia only for 27 days for my home country. Does that violate the 5-consecutive-years rule ?

If your visa was unbroken for 5 years then you are fine.
They don't mean that you have to physically be inside RI for 5 years.
If your 27 day trip meant that your visa expired and you had to restart then that is a different thing to going for a holiday.

 

[Mambojambo]

If your visa was unbroken for 5 years then you are fine.
They don't mean that you have to physically be inside RI for 5 years.
If your 27 day trip meant that your visa expired and you had to restart then that is a different thing to going for a holiday.

I see ma'am. Thank you. No, my visa was not broken due to that trip. I have a spouse-sponsored-KITAP.

As for that thing Dave mentioned above, Does it make a difference whether you are a wife or a husband throughout the application process ?

If so, what is easier for a wife ?

 

[marcus]

Is it easier for WNA wife than a WNA husband?...

At least theoretically , looking at the related rules (Law no. 12 Year 2006 , PerMen 21 Year 2020 & PerMen 10 Year 24 , and PerMen 36 Year 2016) , I didn't see any signal of gender discrimination .

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Probably they are less likely to ask about work-related things or taxes (although they shouldn't ask about these anyway).

 

[Bad_azz]

I see ma'am. Thank you. No, my visa was not broken due to that trip. I have a spouse-sponsored-KITAP.

As for that thing Dave mentioned above, Does it make a difference whether you are a wife or a husband throughout the application process ?

If so, what is easier for a wife ?

There is no(to my knowledge), & there should be no gender discrimination.

There is nothing particularly easy about the application process, it involves dealing with different bodies such as immigration, and different levels of police, lots of form filling and statement writing and then submitting and waiting.
Think of it as a complex visa application with different layers until you finally get to the end game.

Edit- for clarification: if you meet all the criteria, obtain and submit all the correct documents and pay the fee, then it should be a straightforward process. It isn't dealt with in a personal manner really and neither petty misogyny nor corruption enter into it at the AHU level.

 

[Mambojambo]

There is no(to my knowledge), & there should be no gender discrimination.

There is nothing particularly easy about the application process, it involves dealing with different bodies such as immigration, and different levels of police, lots of form filling and statement writing and then submitting and waiting.
Think of it as a complex visa application with different layers until you finally get to the end game.

Edit- for clarification: if you meet all the criteria, obtain and submit all the correct documents and pay the fee, then it should be a straightforward process. It isn't dealt with in a personal manner really and neither petty misogyny nor corruption enter into it at the AHU level.

Quite elucidative ma'am. Thank you.

 

[Dave70]

Can anyone recommend a good lawyer or law firm which specializes in the naturalization process (preferably with experience beyond those based on marriage)?

 

[Brian86]

If your visa was unbroken for 5 years then you are fine.
They don't mean that you have to physically be inside RI for 5 years.
If your 27 day trip meant that your visa expired and you had to restart then that is a different thing to going for a holiday.

I'll just affirm this; there is similar language about "tinggal __ tahun berturut-turut" for some KITAP, and what it actually means is having unbroken legal residency for that number of years. In the most strict interpretation it needs to be the same visa (kind and sponsor) for those years, but in no reasonable interpretation does it mean that you can not go visit another country for a few weeks.

 

[Bad_azz]

Can anyone recommend a good lawyer or law firm which specializes in the naturalization process (preferably with experience beyond those based on marriage)?

Murzal & associates do a lot of international corporate law/visas etc. https://murzallawfirm.com/

 

[galinataz]

I have a pdf of the letter but I cannot upload it as too large, sorry.
This is what they wrote:
This is to certify that the British Embassy at Jakarta has no objection to [name] of British national passport [number] issued by IPS on [date] making an application to obtain the Republic of Indonesia citizenship...
[name] may apply for a Declaration of Renunciation of British National citizenship after he [yep- I wanted to comment about them changing my gender - but decided wasn't worth the hassle] obtains the Republic of Indonesia Citizenship.

It was on official embassy paper and stamped and signed.

Hello, do you still have pdf Letter of no objection? Could you please send full text in direct message or my email, because my embassy don't understand what I need and hopefully they will understand if I show them a sample. And if this letter must be in 2 languages (foreign and Indonesian) it would be really helpful (I'm sure not only for me but for other expats) if you could share Indonesian version of this letter. I'm sorry if I asking too much but would be really nice if you could help, because I just stuck with this letter from embassy Thank you very much

 

[marcus]

For those foreigners who are citizens of countries more developed than Indonesia & with children, I would suggest to think very carefully about becoming Indonesian and/or not getting dual citizenship for the children.

In my view (considering the above) there is no important benefit in being an adult Indonesian and even less benefit in being an Indonesian child .

 

[Bad_azz]

For those foreigners who are citizens of countries more developed than Indonesia & with children, I would suggest to think very carefully about becoming Indonesian and/or not getting dual citizenship for the children.

In my view (considering the above) there is no important benefit in being an adult Indonesian and even less benefit in being an Indonesian child .

The thing is, Marcus, we are all different and living in different circumstances, what would be practical for one person would not be of any use for another.
I am pretty sure there is no-one jumping rashly into becoming a citizen.
It is a long and ball-aching process yet for some there actually are some very good benefits of being a citizen here: Being able to own the property that they have invested in , not having to leave the country for visas, are just a couple of examples.

 

[Bad_azz]

Hello, do you still have pdf Letter of no objection? Could you please send full text in direct message or my email, because my embassy don't understand what I need and hopefully they will understand if I show them a sample. And if this letter must be in 2 languages (foreign and Indonesian) it would be really helpful (I'm sure not only for me but for other expats) if you could share Indonesian version of this letter. I'm sorry if I asking too much but would be really nice if you could help, because I just stuck with this letter from embassy Thank you very much

The Letter of no Objection (must be on Embassy header paper):


Date issued

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN​

This is to certify that the British Embassy at Jakarta has no objection to [1]__________________, holder of British National passport No. [2]____________________ issued by IPS on [3]_______________________, making an application to obtain Republic of Indonesia citizenship.



[4]______________________ May apply for a Declaration of Renunciation of British National Citizenship, after he/she obtains the Republic of Indonesia citizenship.

KEPADA YANG BERKEPENTINGAN​

Surat ini menyatakan bahwa Kedutaan Besar Inggris di Jakarta tidak keberatan bahwa ___________________, pemengan paspor Inggris No. _____________

Dilkeluarkan oleh Pemerintah Inggris Pada tangal ______________, mengajukan permohonan untuk memperoleh Kewarganegaraan Republik Indonesia.
________________ Dapat mengajukan permohonan Pernyataan Melepskan Kewarganegaraan Inggris setela ia memperoleh kewarganegaraan Republik Indonesia.







__________________________ EMBASSY STAMP AND SIGNATURE



______________ NAME AND RANK OF PERSON SIGNING (mine was British Vice Consul)



[1] – Name of applicant

[2]- Passport number

[3]- Date of passport issue

[4] – Name of applicant

 

[marcus]

The thing is, Marcus, we are all different and living in different circumstances, what would be practical for one person would not be of any use for another.

Oh yes .

I am pretty sure there is no-one jumping rashly into becoming a citizen.

Analyzing carefully is not something that all people do .

... benefits of being a citizen here: Being able to own the property that they have invested in ,

My suggestion was to an average relatively young couple with children , who would start paying a house in installments . If they divorce and the house is in the Indonesian spouse's name , the loss for the foreigner would be minimum .

not having to leave the country for visas, are just a couple of examples.

Very minor benefit in my view . We only need a visa once , then only extend the e-ITAS/KITAS or convert to/extend KITAP , which are not expensive .