Why Indonesia...?

think to be honest my chances are better here than back home
I agree !

And increases a lot if you have a "white" skin , but if not , you still have enough chances (like me , found 2 Indonesian wives even not being "white") .

Regarding divorce in Indonesia , it was easy for me even without a lawyer , and I didn't/don't regret having one failed marriage (it was mostly good) as I didn't have any child with her .
 
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Good for you. I took PIP wallpaper with me once and the tukang was confused since it was a ‘new’ system where the glue would be applied on the wall instead of on the paper. He refused to do it.
I did that type for my wall and I think it's actually easier.
Of course the ridiculous prices to have something fixed or done in the west, makes you doing more yourself. Hourly prices of €60-120 for plumbers, electricians, locksmiths, gardeners, car repairs, … are just too much. My wife is still cursing at me if I want to do something myself.
Yes, price is of course a consideration.
I also like the freedom to decide when the chores begin and end, how I want it be done, more control on (almost) everything. Knowledge and experience are bonuses. Long live independency! 💪
 
I agree !

And increases a lot if you have a "white" skin , but if not , you still have enough chances (like me , found 2 Indonesian wives even not being "white") .

Regarding divorce in Indonesia , it was easy for me even without a lawyer , and I didn't/don't regret having one failed marriage (it was mostly good) as I didn't have any child with her .
 
"one failed marriage (it was mostly good)" you've done well then . I am white so really stand out here. Its a bit embarrassing really because many of the people here I would hold in very high regard for their personalities and industriousness! Eg yest saw a well drilling machine made of a car diff etc, I also saw a hand made car wash machine a while ago. they dont just sit around but need to be motivated to create and work for food etc.
 
so I would describe myself as a Heinz 57 bit of a mix!, born and raised in the Black Country West Midlands, England (Peaky Blinder territory) to an all English Bloodline, Mother's side born and raised here, fathers side from Southampton, so grew supporting Southampton FC living in the midlands, work fulltime last 15 years as a Class One HGV Driver hauling Steel in 2016 aged 30 i was diagnosed with Cancer & had 7 months off work got into remission, during this time i met my now wife online as friends & in 2017 as my life had returned to normal she was then diagnosed with cancer the following year, we had an emotional attachment and kept in touch every day and hours during the night i as was trunking night loads around the UK, i made my first trip to Jakarta in 2018 and soon realised what a beautiful kind warm culture Indonesia was, i felt right at home here within the first few days, and looking into her puppy eyes just made me melt and fall right in love

I headed home came back early 2019 and again in December 2019, officially together not knowing the Covid shitstorm that was heading to us all, I couldn't return until May 2022 and we eventually got more close, came back September 2022 and i proposed to her at the grounds of the Monas Monument and in August 2023 we became husband & wife right here in Jakarta, booked up to come again in August and December this year, and my plan is to summer 2026 Apply for E31A 2 yr Spouse visa & il spend 6 months in Indonesia & the remaining 6 working in UK, id rather have an equal balance and integrate slowly and wait and build an opportunity that'll keep me where my heart desires, im fortunate to have a career i can just hang up in the closet and return back to it in my own time and earn better money in the meantime, my 7-8 years with Indonesia in my life has took my all around Java, Bogor Bandung Lembang Yjogjakarta, Surabaya Malang & Batu Belitung (in-laws are from there) Bali, Lombok Manado, Palu, & Makassar

I'm known to many locals as Mr Bean once i make a local smile & laugh there is no stopping me, I'm the Jakarta Peek a boo champion with the kids, and if i see a cats around you'll find me with pouches of whiskers paper plates and a red laser pen to entertaining the floofs, i love street food live off Ketoprak Soto, ayam bakar & nasi goreng & love the community based culture we have in Indonesia, you'll find me around west Jakarta acting like an idiot, passionate Persija Jakarta fan & an Aviation geek you'll always find me CGK watching those steel beautys takeoff and land.

nice to meet you all
Marty
 
Practically all Bule with dark hair seem to resemble Mr. Bean. Just like in the opposite case, we all look the same.
 
I don’t understand what you mean with ‘my chances’?

Yes, the chances of finding an attractive person who ticks practically all the boxes is better here than in the west for those who flip burgers at McD or work on the waste collection truck.

But will that last?
As a foreigner he will attract attention and that will help his chances. At least that's been the case for me for the last 45 or so years even when I've not been looking.
 
... and my plan is to summer 2026 Apply for E31A 2 yr Spouse visa & il spend 6 months in Indonesia & the remaining 6 working in UK, ...
by the way , you have another option , which is a :
60 days (extendable to up 180 days) C1 Tourist Visit Visa , cost Rp1 million (Rp3 million for 180 days - the E31A 2y cost Rp8.5 million , Rp4.25 million per year) .

Other differences between the 2 :
E31A requires more documents than C1
E31A requires a cancellation process if you want to cancel it
E31A requires you getting a SKTT (a kind of Indonesian residence identity letter)
E31A requires a report process anytime you : change the Indonesian address , change your passport , get a child , ..
E31A theoretically makes you liable to pay Indonesian income tax due to your UK income (but in practice the Law is not enforced yet)
C1 will require 2 extension processes to reach the 180 days validity
 
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by the way , you have another option , which is a :
60 days (extendable to up 180 days) C1 Tourist Visit Visa , cost Rp1 million (Rp3 million for 180 days - the E31A 2y cost Rp8.5 million , Rp4.25 million per year) .

Other differences between the 2 :
E31A requires more documents than C1
E31A requires a cancellation process if you want to cancel it
E31A requires you getting a SKTT (a kind of Indonesian residence identity letter)
E31A requires a report process anytime you : change the Indonesian address , change your passport , get a child , ..
E31A theoretically makes you liable to pay Indonesian income tax due to your income abroad (but in practice the Law is not enforced yet)
C1 will require 2 extension processes to reach the 180 days validity
Thanks Marcus il look at that into more detail 👍
 
As a foreigner he will attract attention and that will help his chances. At least that's been the case for me for the last 45 or so years even when I've not been looking.
yes that was definitely my experience in Manado area. Im back in NZ now but made some good friendships with some very keen leads , looking to prob head back in June 26, but one girl is wanting to fund her way to NZ and get a job here, so helping with that as Im able. I like her initiative so letting her run with it. Not wanting to rush into anything.
 
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As a first gen American with parents from Alexandria, Egypt I got my first taste of living abroad after the revolution in Egypt. I arrived in Alexandria, with the intention of staying for good, when there was no president or congress. I kept my grandma company, got a job myself in a BPO, and made friends while improving my Arabic.

After the coup, I headed back to the USA with some serious perspective and confidence. I went back to school, got a degree, started working in HR for a DoD contractor.

About 3 weeks into the job my little brother died in his sleep from a heart attack. I am the oldest and since our father had died when I was 12, I was the head male of the house. Although nobody ever listened to me. Surprisingly, I held it together, was there for my mother and siblings. My younger brother decided to move in with my mother and I, with his doberman.

I was always looking for a wife, met a few and their parents in the USA and Egypt but I felt like something is seriously wrong with them. According to the UN, Egyptian women are ranked #2 worldwide for beating their husbands. Also, I do believe the song is true, "American woman". So I looked online.

My brother and I are good now, but there was some serious friction in that house. A couple of altercations between us, too.

One day, a message popped up from an Indonesian girl saying "hi". She had no picture on her profile. We chatted for a few days. Got into an argument. Went a week or so without talking, then started taking again.

I decided that I need to go see her in person. I arrived, the first time in 2017, with only general information about Indonesia. Never been to Asia. Never even considered going to Asia.

I stayed 3 weeks, I met her family and we got engaged. I flew back to the USA with a plan to get a teaching certificate and a job lined up then come back. I arrived in August 2018, worked with EF in Tang City Mall for 1 year then started teaching online just before the pandemic.


It's now 2025, I am still here, and we have 3 kids, 2 boys and a girl. My wife wants to travel but not take US citizenship. We haven't gotten my kids citizenship either. I don't have any Indonesian friends, so my students are like my friends, in some ways. My grasp of the language is pathetic as I am not really trying. I can get by with a few words by adding "asi" at the end, like immigrasi. Can give directions but mix them up sometimes. A lot of hand gestures and Google translate.

I do plan to stay or maybe move to another country for a short time but not the USA, EU, or Aussie. It's not like the movies where they save the world. I am glad, we are not complicit. I am a patriot and can't shake the American out of me, but I will visit only for less than 31 days so I don't pay taxes.

Last time I visited, I found my friends had gotten old. Like one needed a chair all the time. I was also worried about getting shot randomly. But I did love driving on the highway. Eating turkey sandwiches. The smell of fresh cut grass. And, the start of fall with the crisp air.

Self imposed exile is lonely but I find comfort in the thought that I say to myself, "no one does what you do". I think in many ways we are lucky to have escaped.
 
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As a first gen American with parents from Alexandria, Egypt I got my first taste of living abroad after the revolution in Egypt. I arrived in Alexandria, with the intention of staying for good, when there was no president or congress. I kept my grandma company, got a job myself in a BPO, and made friends while improving my Arabic.

After the coup, I headed back to the USA with some serious perspective and confidence. I went back to school, got a degree, started working in HR for a DoD contractor.

About 3 weeks into the job my little brother died in his sleep from a heart attack. I am the oldest and since our father had died when I was 12, I was the head male of the house. Although nobody ever listened to me. Surprisingly, I held it together, was there for my mother and siblings. My younger brother decided to move in with my mother and I, with his doberman.

I was always looking for a wife, met a few and their parents in the USA and Egypt but I felt like something is seriously wrong with them. According to the UN, Egyptian women are ranked #2 worldwide for beating their husbands. Also, I do believe the song is true, "American woman". So I looked online.

My brother and I are good now, but there was some serious friction in that house. A couple of altercations between us, too.

One day, a messaged popped up from an Indonesian girl saying "hi". She had no picture on her profile. We chatted for a few days. Got into an argument. Went a week or so without talking, then started taking again.

I decided that I need to go see her in person. I arrived, the first time in 2017, with only general information about Indonesia. Never been to Asia. Never even considered going to Asia.

I stayed 3 weeks, I met her family and we got engaged. I flew back to the USA with a plan to get a teaching certificate and a job lined up then come back. I arrived in August 2018, worked with EF in Tang City Mall for 1 year then started teaching online just before the pandemic.


It's now 2025, I am still here, and we have 3 kids, 2 boys and a girl. My wife wants to travel but not take US citizenship. We haven't gotten my kids citizenship either. I don't have any Indonesian friends, so my students are like my friends, in some ways. My grasp of the language is pathetic as I am not really trying. I can get by with a few words by adding "asi" at the end, like immigrasi. Can give directions but mix them up sometimes. A lot of hand gestures and Google translate.

I do plan to stay or maybe move to another country for a short time but not the USA, EU, or Aussie. It's not like the movies where they save the world. I am glad, we are not complicit. I am a patriot and can't shake the American out of me, but I will visit only for less than 31 days so I don't pay taxes.

Last time I visited, I found my friends had gotten old. Like one needed a chair all the time. I was also worried about getting shot randomly. But I did love driving on the highway. Eating turkey sandwiches. The smell of fresh cut grass. And, the start of fall with the crisp air.

Self imposed exile is lonely but I find comfort in the thought that that I say to myself, "no one does what you do". I think in many ways we are lucky to have escaped.
Ultimately we are all on our own. As children we make friends instantly. As teenagers we hang out a lot and can drop in to see each other whenever we like. As friends get to the marrying age then it becomes the thing to be invited or make a call before dropping around.

I have outlived my friends from my 20s. While I am friendly with a few Indonesians, other tham my wife's family I do not have Indonesian friends. There is a small group of expats (English, German, Canadian, American, Ausralian and one Indonesian) and we breakfast once a month. A chat with a couple of fellows I run into at the beach when I swim, walk and then have a beer.

As for language, Google Anki and download the app. It offers free 5000 Indonesian sentences with flash cards and is handy. Also if if you google youtube cerita untuk anak you can find lots of videos and can click on cc at the bottom for english subtitles. It helps develop the ear for the language and gradually builds up your vocabulary and using google translate to new words. My Indonesian wife finds it very hard to speak Indonesian slowly so I find the above quite useful.

Good luck with your journey.
 
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