Vaccine effectiveness and Herd Immunity

Missnaughty said:
Wearing helmet and seatbelt do not involve injecting a foreign material into our body, which IMHO hasn’t been studied enough.
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Injecting a foreign material into our body has been studied enough, despite your unfounded belief otherwise. Edward Jenner invented the first vaccine in 1796. That was 225 years ago. I have shared a study covering millions of people showing that Covid vaccines are beyond safe, they actually reduce deaths outside Covid.

I’m glad that your definition of “enough” is not accepted by any health authority.
 
Missnaughty said:
Well.. it is not literally my own eyes geez.. . OMG .. You just try so hard to make me look stupid don’t you?
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I'm not trying hard at all.

Missnaughty said:
Everyday we have been told it’s mutated.. do I really need to have qualificafion in medical field to read the news?? That’s what I meant!
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Oh, so now you don't need qualifications to tell us what you think you saw on the news. But if people on this forum patiently and kindly try to explain medical news and research to you, suddenly they need to show qualification. Ok got it.

Now someone with qualification need to tell me about the eficacy of this vaccine, as for stupid person like me, this vaccine DOES NOT WORK!
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You have been shown repeatedly medical data, graphs showing how much vaccination reduces death in various countries. You think that ten people dying or a hundred people dying is the same. That you insist on not understanding the difference is your problem.
 
Ok, it's the Daily Mail... not really an example of good journalism...
But still, considering all the idioties that have happened since 21 months, I would not be surprised if this was for real .....


Face mask GLOWS in the dark when it detects Covid-19 in your breath​


This will have a fantastic success in nightclubs, beats the old fashioned 70's rotating disco ball !

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁
 
'then we'll just have to deal with it'.....so at point do we just deal with covid the same way?
 
Missnaughty said:
I am not an anti vaxxers. We all need solution to covid 19. But pushing mandatory on something that has not been studied enough is not fair. Let the “mass test” done voluntarily. I always encourage people to have vaccination, but dont make me nor my children to do one. I want to see what happen with all people in 3-5 years after vaccination. Especially those who received mRna technology. And bear in mind, the unvaccinated are not the danger to the vaccinated. You supposed to be protected after vaccination right?

And I understand that expressing my opinion can be a danger to the community as I think my argument is easy to be followed and I dont call people stupid just because they have different opinion.

To avoid chaos, governmennt(s) must be united to offer solution for covid. Can you imagine if the government said there is no cure nor solutions for covid? So, something has to be done. Eventhou, it is still premature, the government(s) pushing “the vaccination” as the solution . Therefore, you see there are always new facts comes out all the time about Covid vaccine.

Of course, when the scientists and the vaccine maker have had enough research (volunteers and time) and fully understand about the behaviour of the virus and long term side effect of the vaccine, mandatory is a must. By then, risk and side effect can be calculated.

I am sure having this type of opinion do not need one to have a certain qualification. But to explain the efficacy and side effect of the vaccine, you need to be qualified.
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For a non anti-vaxxer you sure have quoted a few tried and true Ant-vaxxer messages...
 
My neighbour, just received his booster 10 days ago. He fell ill with covid yesterday. Meanwhile, my other friend who care less with covid, behaving like there is no pandemic .. so far has never had covid.

There are reported heart inflammation cases of children after receiving vaccines. Not many, about 100+ per milliion. But compare it against kids who are really sick with covid. Also not many. Compare those risks.

I think people need to stop the blame to the unvaccinated, clearly… whether you are vaccinated or not, booster or not, you can get sick with covid. If you want to get a vaccine, go ahead.. but punishing, bad mouthing those who dont want to get a vaccine is just wrong.
 
Missnaughty said:
I think people need to stop the blame to the unvaccinated, clearly… whether you are vaccinated or not, booster or not, you can get sick with covid. If you want to get a vaccine, go ahead.. but punishing, bad mouthing those who dont want to get a vaccine is just wrong.
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Completely agreed wit that part.

But as the "officials" and the "mad media" are the first charging full ahead with this bashing, the sheeps follow. Mainly the Western "educated" ones.

Logic, common sense , critical analysis have since long been thrown out the window.

Note : No way would I let my kids getting vaccinated if they were young.
 
Missnaughty said:
My neighbour, just received his booster 10 days ago. He fell ill with covid yesterday. Meanwhile, my other friend who care less with covid, behaving like there is no pandemic .. so far has never had covid.

There are reported heart inflammation cases of children after receiving vaccines. Not many, about 100+ per milliion. But compare it against kids who are really sick with covid. Also not many. Compare those risks.

I think people need to stop the blame to the unvaccinated, clearly… whether you are vaccinated or not, booster or not, you can get sick with covid. If you want to get a vaccine, go ahead.. but punishing, bad mouthing those who dont want to get a vaccine is just wrong.
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Just a question ,do you still life in Indonesia right now ?
 
Just received a news. My friend’s daughter who iis in other state, positive covid (mild). She got it ftom her room mate that has worse conditiion than her. The friend has received booster, she is full vaccinated.

My neighbour is still sick at home. His wife is negative (has booster), their 10 years old child is negative (not yet vaccinated)
 
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Another news I found in yahoo. We need to be vigilant about these emergency vaccine. We still don’t know the long term effecf yet. In the meantime, mask and social distancing is best way to protect yourself.

www.yahoo.com

Pfizer Announces Vaccine Provides Insufficient Protection for Young Children

Pfizer and BioNTech will modify a clinical trial for their coronavirus vaccine in young children after a two-dose regimen did not produce a sufficient immune response.
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Read the article. They were given a tenth of a normal dose as a trial and monitored the immune response. This is how modern science works.
 
Will_M said:
Read the article. They were given a tenth of a normal dose as a trial and monitored the immune response. This is how modern science works.
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Exactly. And this “trial and monitoring” is still on going for all vaccine actually.. not just for small children. Back to my statement… with this condition, should the vaccine become mandated??? *glad someone come around with common sense.
 
Will_M said:
I think you have missed the point completely. I’m out.
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I do think people here missed my point from the beginning. You all think that I am the anti vac therefore I am also Trump’s supporters, therefore I am stupid do not believe the scientist. Where I am actually asking all of you to use your common sense and judgement regarding this “emergency vaccine” to NOT MAKING IT MANDATORY as it is all (the adults, teenagers and small kids) are still in trial and monitoring. And you CAN NOT compare the mandatory vaccine vs mandatory seat belt. It has different risk.
 
In this thread, we are discussing the effectiveness of the vaccine. Since then, has the hospitalization rate goes down? The death rate gone down? The infection rate? If it is not, then I can say it is not working as we are now dealing not only the problem from the virus, but also the problem of the side effect of the vaccine in healthy people.

I understand that this virus keep mutating.. but the scientiests and authorties know this, and they should put this into equation when develop a vaccine and mandate it to all of us, so the side effect we take will be worth it.
 
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