US Presidential Election - What's your take?

[tihzho]

 

[Nimbus]

I don't know why I didn't notice this before, but Trump's behavior is consistent with that of an organized crime boss, like the mob, mafia, cartel, or whatever you want to call them. On the street 'respect' is everything, and you maintain it by not letting anybody disrespect you in any manner. If you fail to punish a slight, you lose respect and you will be deemed weak, which is dangerous because it invites real attacks. Somebody pointed out that the construction industry in New York City is (was?) largely controlled by the mob, so he must be accustomed to dealing with them and talking in their language.

When an ordinary mob boss is offended by a regular guy, he sends his thugs to rough him up. When Trump is offended by a regular guy, he sends his lawyer to sue them. It's classic bullying whether through physical or legal means.

Of course he likes Putin, because they are very similar. Russia is basically controlled by oligarchs, legal mafia bosses with Putin as the biggest of them all. I wouldn't be surprised if Russian magnates have invested a lot of money in Trump businesses. This alone (if true) is enough reason not to release his tax returns.

All his subtle hints of violence makes sense in this context. As a big mob boss, legal or otherwise, you get accustomed to issuing threats without spelling it out. The famous phrase from The Godfather comes to mind: "I'm gonna make him an offer he can't refuse."

To top it off, he's utterly reliant on his family and kids. Why? Because if you're dealing with less than legal stuff, you need people you can trust completely, like your offsprings and blood relatives.

Trump is not funny anymore, he is actually dangerous.

 

[Anglian]

I know Fox News isn't the most popular news channel, for reason I don't know they seem very keen on Trump, but I was sitting at home having a cup of tea, wifey is visiting the Kampung, so I was browsing the TV channels, I hit Fox News, but before I moved on, it showed Clinton having a wobbly head moment, to the alarm of those surrounding her, the Fox News then came up with a potted history as far as they know of her health, Do you think they, Fox News is scrapping the barrel to find more evidence that she shouldn't be in the running for President, it does I'm sure require the president to be in very good health, so do you think a medical check up should be mandatory

 

[Dan]

Nice to have the old Dan back again.

The guy was a minor "get out the vote" operative with no access to secret DNC information confirming the Clinton was involved in nefarious activity, the existence of which is also not in evidence. It is also "within the realm of possibilities" that there is green cheese somewhere on the dark side of the moon.

Your characterization of Seth Rich is a bit off.

"Rich had worked for the DNC for two years and helped develop a computer program to make it easier for people to find polling places on Election Day. "

"He was serving as Deputy Director-Data-for-Voter Protection/Expansion. "

http://www.omaha.com/news/crime/wik...cle_cfb287bc-5e98-11e6-ae0c-8b471b8cbfbb.html

http://www.omaha.com/obits/rich-seth-c/article_957ece9b-67c3-53d6-b88b-0c78d813b299.html

So we know that Rich was both proficient in computers AND was a little more than a minor "get out the vote guy." Besides, even people with minor clearances or reduced access are frequently found as leakers. Mordechai Vanunu was a minor plant technician yet leaked to the entire world that Israel has nuclear weapons.

I was dubious of claims by Assange from the get go, I share your skepticism, but it's also completely believable that he leaked the details. I don't believe he was murdered by the DNC, but I am not willing to discount the possibility that powerful political organizations are willing to kill (considering that all throughout history they've always done that...)

 

[lone_ranger]

I know Fox News isn't the most popular news channel, for reason I don't know they seem very keen on Trump, but I was sitting at home having a cup of tea, wifey is visiting the Kampung, so I was browsing the TV channels, I hit Fox News, but before I moved on, it showed Clinton having a wobbly head moment, to the alarm of those surrounding her, the Fox News then came up with a potted history as far as they know of her health, Do you think they, Fox News is scrapping the barrel to find more evidence that she shouldn't be in the running for President, it does I'm sure require the president to be in very good health, so do you think a medical check up should be mandatory

I don't think it's mandatory, but Clinton and Trump both released doctor's statements - take them for what they're worth. Here is POTUS's

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/potus_med_exam_feb2010.pdf

I would be more worried about Trump's mental condition!

 

[waarmstrong]

Your characterization of Seth Rich is a bit off.

"Rich had worked for the DNC for two years and helped develop a computer program to make it easier for people to find polling places on Election Day. "

"He was serving as Deputy Director-Data-for-Voter Protection/Expansion. " ....

So we know that Rich was both proficient in computers AND was a little more than a minor "get out the vote guy." Besides, even people with minor clearances or reduced access are frequently found as leakers. Mordechai Vanunu was a minor plant technician yet leaked to the entire world that Israel has nuclear weapons.

Actually we don't know. Conspiracy theorist are fond of mixing a few reported "facts" with unsubstantiated speculations, then adding in a dash of an unrelated leaker story for a "could be like this" angle, while completely ignoring known facts suggesting innocent or mundane explanations. Keep in mind that "helped develop" could mean he made copies or stuffed envelopes and that in an organization that does not pay employees much, many grunts have fancy titles, but hey if you want to weave a dark story from bits and fragments for the Clinton-hating tin foil hat crowd, far be it from me to dampen your enthusiasm

 

[Banana72]

Just learned something new yesterday, apparently according to Trump, the POTUS is the founder of ISIS.

 

[Dan]

Actually we don't know. Conspiracy theorist are fond of mixing a few reported "facts" with unsubstantiated speculations, then adding in a dash of an unrelated leaker story for a "could be like this" angle, while completely ignoring known facts suggesting innocent or mundane explanations. Keep in mind that "helped develop" could mean he made copies or stuffed envelopes and that in an organization that does not pay employees much, many grunts have fancy titles, but hey if you want to weave a dark story from bits and fragments for the Clinton-hating tin foil hat crowd, far be it from me to dampen your enthusiasm

Considering I pulled that information from his obituary, not a conspiracy theorist haven, I think there's nothing speculative to report. I mean, unless his relatives are also conspiracy theorists.

I stated before that I don't know what to make of Assange's claims, but I believe it to be credible that Seth Rich leaked those documents. It's unlikely he was murdered for it.

 

[Dan]

Just learned something new yesterday, apparently according to Trump, the POTUS is the founder of ISIS.

Yeah, his explanation for that outburst is just bizarre.

This election cycle has truly been a gift. Donald Trump, for all his warts, is exposing just how deranged our electorate is. Various leaks have exposed how corrupt and fixed our system of representation is. I especially liked how the DNC was eager to blame Russia for the email leak, rather than address the fact that "the fix was in."

This reinforces my decision to vote for a third party and continue to push for a change to either a parliamentary system or direct democracy.

 

[Nimbus]

Just learned something new yesterday, apparently according to Trump, the POTUS is the founder of ISIS.

Well, his full name is Barrack Hussein Obama after all, as Trump likes to mention.

Don't forget that Trump was (is?) one of the most prominent and persistent supporters of the theory that Obama wasn't born in USA.

 

[Davita]

Well, his full name is Barrack Hussein Obama after all, as Trump likes to mention.

If I were advising Clinton or Obama I'd be rebuffing with this info from wiki....

"Trump is of half German and half Scottish descent; his mother and all four of his grandparents were born outside of the United States. In 1885, Trump's paternal grandfather, Friedrich Trump, emigrated from Kallstadt, a village in the former Kingdom of Bavaria within the German Empire, to the United States at age 16. During the Alaska Gold Rush, he amassed a fortune by opening restaurants and hotels for gold seekers on their way to the region."

​Another story (unverified) is those 'restaurants/hotels' were simply brothels....but, so long as those clowns are slinging mud...?

 

[Missnaughty]

Well, his full name is Barrack Hussein Obama after all, as Trump likes to mention.

Don't forget that Trump was (is?) one of the most prominent and persistent supporters of the theory that Obama wasn't born in USA.

I think Trump more suitable to be Indonesian Leader.. seems people here share the same view. Once, my friend's son was rejected a passport because he looks "bule" and he has western name despite all the paperwork and photos that he came out from my Indonesian friend in Indonesia. He was born out of wedlock .. well .. not sure who the father was.. so.. what an ignorance officials that refused him a passport!

Also this new minister who was rumoured to have a US Passport instead of Indonesian Passport replied " Look at how I look! Couldn't be more Padang right!" when asked by reporter about the issue ... (Red: Padang in Sumatra)


Well next time I go back to Indoensia I won't be needing my passport.. I will tell them to look at me carefully and examine! I am very very Indonesian.. I can't even live without rice!

 

[waarmstrong]

Considering I pulled that information from his obituary, not a conspiracy theorist haven, I think there's nothing speculative to report. I mean, unless his relatives are also conspiracy theorists.

I stated before that I don't know what to make of Assange's claims, but I believe it to be credible that Seth Rich leaked those documents. It's unlikely he was murdered for it.

It's not the source, it's the spin, Dan.

 

[waarmstrong]

Yeah, his explanation for that outburst is just bizarre.

This election cycle has truly been a gift. Donald Trump, for all his warts, is exposing just how deranged our electorate is. Various leaks have exposed how corrupt and fixed our system of representation is. I especially liked how the DNC was eager to blame Russia for the email leak, rather than address the fact that "the fix was in."

This reinforces my decision to vote for a third party and continue to push for a change to either a parliamentary system or direct democracy.

Careful what you wish for.

 

[waarmstrong]

Trump is running out of feet in which to shoot.

 

[fastpitch17]

Trump is running out of feet in which to shoot.

Seems to be plenty in his mouth.

 

[dafluff]

 

[fastpitch17]

I like what Mark Davis said. Nixon erases 18 minutes of tape and has to go, Hillary loses 30,000 emails and ????

 

[PhilippeD]

I like what Mark Davis said. Nixon erases 18 minutes of tape and has to go, Hillary loses 30,000 emails and ????

There is a difference in between intentionally erasing a tape and none-intentionally losing e-mail...

 

[fastpitch17]

There is a difference in between intentionally erasing a tape and none-intentionally losing e-mail...

Yeah. Too bad for her that doesn't fit. I doubt there was any none-intentionability involved.