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[Balifrog]

I’ve seen women convert for marriage here. Often for Christian->Muslim. Then if they divorce later on, back to the original.

It's called "Love" ......

 

[harryopal1]

What shocks me is the easyness with which men will do it, to please their "love" or their futur family in law....
Why wouldn't it be the girl that convert ? After all, if she LOVES you, she should propose it spontanously ?

Not to speak that if you give in from day one you'll probably continue forever.... And what about future kids ?
Not for me Ronnie .....

"
Not to speak that if you give in from day one you'll probably continue forever.... And what about future kids ?"

Well, in my case, then 75 and having had a vasectomy" I don't think so.

 

[Balifrog]

"
Not to speak that if you give in from day one you'll probably continue forever.... And what about future kids ?"

Well, in my case, then 75 and having had a vasectomy" I don't think so.

1 Kid in my first life (40+), 3 in my second life (Thai/French 31, 27, 26) all brought up without any religion involved.
My third life started at 60, Missus was 43, still good fun, but now it's time to simply enjoy life.... at 73 and 56....

 

[Dave70]

A Hindu (Balinese) colleague once told me a Hindu man will never convert just to marry a Muslim woman. But a Hindu woman is "free" to convert to marry a Muslim man. Don't know if that's really the case. Nevertheless, I heard that Balinese Hindu is different from Indian Hindu.

 

[harryopal1]

A chilling reminder that in Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen the official penalty for converting from Islam to another faith is death. However the official ruling in these areas, legal systems typically provide a "waiting period" (up to 3–10 days) for the individual to recant (repent) and return to Islam before the sentence is carried out. Although state-sanctioned executions for apostasy are rare, with only a few recorded cases between 1913 and 2013. However, Many punishments for apostasy occur as extrajudicial or vigilante violence rather than through formal court systems.

 

[Balifrog]

A Hindu (Balinese) colleague once told me a Hindu man will never convert just to marry a Muslim woman. But a Hindu woman is "free" to convert to marry a Muslim man. Don't know if that's really the case. Nevertheless, I heard that Balinese Hindu is different from Indian Hindu.

My companion is Hindu.
She confirmed more than once that she will never convert to any other religion.
Anyway she is the youngest of 6 kids, and there is no way her elder brothers would let her convert. And what brother #1 says shall not be discussed..
Patriarchal society.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Nothing says confidence in the validity of your own religion better than saying that if anybody leaves it they will be put to death. I don't think even Scientology goes that far.

 

[serious_fun]

Nothing says confidence in the validity of your own religion better than saying that if anybody leaves it they will be put to death. I don't think even Scientology goes that far.

Jim Jones had the 'kool-aid option' ...though that was also for those who chose to stay in the cult.

 

[serious_fun]

A chilling reminder that in Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen the official penalty for converting from Islam to another faith is death. However the official ruling in these areas, legal systems typically provide a "waiting period" (up to 3–10 days) for the individual to recant (repent) and return to Islam before the sentence is carried out. Although state-sanctioned executions for apostasy are rare, with only a few recorded cases between 1913 and 2013. However, Many punishments for apostasy occur as extrajudicial or vigilante violence rather than through formal court systems.

Soon to be implemented in the UK and Eire?

 

[serious_fun]

... had a vasectomy"

My doctor asked me why I wore a tuxedo to my vasectomy.

I replied, "If I'm gonna be im-potent, I wanna look im-potent too!"



omg, that's a joke from my youth. apologies

 

[Balifrog]

Nothing says confidence in the validity of your own religion better than saying that if anybody leaves it they will be put to death. I don't think even Scientology goes that far.

Ok with th first phrase.
Not sure Scientology can be considered a religion...it's not even a philosophy.
More a guru endoctrination thing.
A bit like Jim Jones in Georgetown (Guyana) in 1978. Can not get my head around that....

Mass suicide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Go directly to "religiously motivated......"

 

[harryopal1]

Ok with th first phrase.
Not sure Scientology can be considered a religion...it's not even a philosophy.
More a guru endoctrination thing.
A bit like Jim Jones in Georgetown (Guyana) in 1978. Can not get my head around that....

Mass suicide - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Go directly to "religiously motivated......"

Scientology is recognized as a religion in Australia which gives them an advantage of not being taxed on all the money they manipulate away from confused people who believe the rubbish that is supposed to be the essence of their beliefs. Gorilla implants, aliens and at one time Hubbard had a ship travelling around the world searching for treasures on the basis of evidence that the universe had somehow given him. If you are a celebrity Scientology goes to great lengths to flatter them and tell them how intelligent and wonderful they are. Can't for the life of me understand how Tom Cruise and John Travolta have allowed themselves to be misused to attract followers to this ridiculous mix of nonsensical ideas. They go to incredible lengths to try and intimidate and shut up critics.

 

[jstar]

Nevertheless, I heard that Balinese Hindu is different from Indian Hindu.

Yeah they are rather dissimilar. Animism and a supreme deity (required by Pancasila) make it already different. Not to mention the calendar; although they do (also) follow a lunar system, there are two ‘unique’ systems over here.

 

[ChrisOnBali]

The only way it doesn't turn into a divisive and cynical mechanism of power and manipulation is if everyone just worships whom or whatever they choose to in their own way according to whatever legends, scriptures or precepts they personally prefer and pretty much keep it to themselves; after all, whose else business is it anyway.

As soon as you apply a formal organisation and structures of authority to it, the whole thing rapidly veers towards some combination of a racket and a mafia.

My step-mother is nearly 80 years old and at some times of the year she stays up half the night making canang sari because she needs sometimes up to 200 of them for one ceremony or another, exhausting herself for days and cutting her fingers on the edges, which take weeks to heal properly.

She does it because she's been told by people all her life that she has to do it, or terrible things will happen.

Of course, we can just buy 200 canang sari to save her the exhaustion and injury, or my wife can make them for her; but she prefers to make them herself, though sometimes can't when she's not well enough.

I can understand the original idea of fashioning them with love from materials plucked from nearby trees and bushes; not really my thing but I can see the beauty and meaning of it.

But over the generations most of the trees and bushes have gone so the ingredients need to be purchased at rates that rocket when there's an important day coming up, and it's somehow morphed into a non-believer paying to buy these things to avert the implicit threat to his step mother's health and well-being since making them herself is beyong her financial means for ingredients or physical capability to build them, what manner of spirituality is this ?

I'd better shut up.... other than to paraphrase a quote I read from some Indian guru I once read, it went something like "If the only offering you have is the tear from your eye, that is enough".

I'd say sometimes the tear from her eye is exactly what my step Mum has to give, and I wish she'd take the words of that guru to heart.

Exactly who says there need to be 200 ? - surely half a dozen canang sari made with genuine love, care and devotion have to be worth so much more than 200 of them made as quickly as possible in a cottage-industry assembly line, and way more so than 4 bags of 50 bought from a lady at the roadside.

 

[ChrisOnBali]

Nothing says confidence in the validity of your own religion better than saying that if anybody leaves it they will be put to death.

In fairness, I think it's the same for Man Utd and Man City fans, at least it seemed to be on the Manchester sink estate where I grew up