Tourist Admission Fees for Kitas/Kitap holders

[Burungkecil]

We're hoping to go to Sulawesi next week for a holiday and while reading about the various tourist sites I was reminded of the discriminative admission prices that can see a foreigner paying up to ten times more than a local for an entry ticket.
So, what's the deal for KITAS and KITAP holders? Do we pay the same price as the locals by showing our residency permits/NPWP/KTP WNA card, or will we be regarded as foreign tourists?

 

[Bad_azz]

I always insist I am a local when they calculate the price- and then I show my visa & my KTP. & then I get the local price... & if not I turn around & leave.

 

[Burungkecil]

Yeah, I've managed to pay the domestic ticket price in some places but I have also sat outside tourist attractions on a number of occasions leaving my wife to walk around alone, but I was hoping that the government had made a distinction between foreign tourists and foreigners living and paying taxes in Indonesia. Apparently not.

It seems it's all the fault of PP No.12/2014 which determines the tariffs to be paid by both local and foreign tourists. Tariffs for foreigners typically range from Rp100,000 to Rp250,000 and can be 30 times higher than the domestic tariff. Can't really blame the individual tourist sites either because they are only doing as instructed by the government. Maybe I should bring a stool with me next week because it looks like I may be doing a lot of sitting around.
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[bundy]

I always insist I am a local when they calculate the price- and then I show my visa & my KTP. & then I get the local price... & if not I turn around & leave.

yes it/s pathetic..just rippn u off..and u spend your money here...I to just leave or wait outside and have a beer/o

 

[El_Goretto]

I've always found that on a kitas / kitap you are considered a resident and pay the same as local price? Ever since I've been on KITAS I don't pay the foreigner price anymore.

 

[Puspawarna]

I've always found that on a kitas / kitap you are considered a resident and pay the same as local price? Ever since I've been on KITAS I don't pay the foreigner price anymore.

For me it has been sometimes yes, sometimes no. We always get the KITAS price for hotels. But my friend and I ended up paying the tourist price for admission to the kraton in Jogja recently. It was clear the ticket-sellers would NOT budge.

 

[Bad_azz]

Maybe because I am not one for "tourist" destinations, is why I have no issue with walking away. Their loss not mine.
Maybe I am just sombong
I don't like any sort of segregation stuff so I refuse to subscribe.
If I was in the UK/US & black & had to pay more to enter these places there would be a public outcry.

 

[Euc-]

For me it has been sometimes yes, sometimes no. We always get the KITAS price for hotels. But my friend and I ended up paying the tourist price for admission to the kraton in Jogja recently. It was clear the ticket-sellers would NOT budge.

Funny, I paid the local price for the Kraton, as well as Borobudur and Prambanan last May, could things have changed since then? Same thing for all temples in Bali and basically everywhere else I've been so far, always paid local price. Sometimes got asked to actually how the KITAS, sometimes that wasn't even needed.

 

[Euc-]

Maybe because I am not one for "tourist" destinations, is why I have no issue with walking away. Their loss not mine.
Maybe I am just sombong
I don't like any sort of segregation stuff so I refuse to subscribe.
If I was in the UK/US & black & had to pay more to enter these places there would be a public outcry.

Well, it happens in the EU as well; different prices to visit attractions between EU and non-EU citizens. Sample: non-EU citizens pay almost triple the price to visit the Parliament building in Budapest: https://www.jegymester.hu/docs/parlament/2017/general information_jegymester_010417.pdf

I don't like any sort of segregation stuff so I refuse to subscribe. <-- so what do you do at immigration when entering the country and there's an "Indonesian only" line vs "Foreigner line"?

The way I always thought about these issues was as following; locals/residents (should) pay tax in the country, part of that tax goes to the upkeep of certain attractions if they are government owned, hence you get a discounted entree price. As a foreign tourist you do not pay those same taxes, hence you pay a slightly higher price to get in and help with the upkeep etc.

I agree that some are starting to take the piss though; Borobudur is 25 USD for foreigners vs 40.000 IDR for locals.

 

[El_Goretto]

For me it has been sometimes yes, sometimes no. We always get the KITAS price for hotels. But my friend and I ended up paying the tourist price for admission to the kraton in Jogja recently. It was clear the ticket-sellers would NOT budge.

Interesting... Maybe it's because I'm usually with my family and my father-in-law is such a hustler (I used to get local price even back when I was on tourist visa haha).

 

[Bad_azz]

Euc-, re :
"Indonesian only" line vs "Foreigner line"
Never noticed- I usually follow KITAS/KITAP signs

 

[Jaime C]

My wife handles the ticket purchases. Never paid a bule price that I can recall.

 

[brian@bekasi]

I have never paid a foreign rate. In a lot cases I just say I am a resident without showing ID. When you are with your Indonesia family no one seems to question your local resident status.

 

[Euc-]

Euc-, re :
"Indonesian only" line vs "Foreigner line"
Never noticed- I usually follow KITAS/KITAP signs

Almost every country that I can think of has lines for it's own citizens and separate lines for others.

Come to think of it, a KITAS/KITAP line is also "segregation stuff".

 

[Anglian]

It’s foreigners/ Indonesians on the way out

 

[Puspawarna]

We had a discussion about price discrimination at least once before, on the old forum, I think. I'm not actually that opposed to it, in part because it's very common in Hawaii as well and I understand the dynamic there. A Hawaii driver's license is a key to all kinds of discounts, and since a lot of people on island are barely scraping by, it's a big help.

Part of one's reaction depends on how the price differentiation is marketed, I think. When "outsiders pay more," that's bad. But when "locals get a discount," that's okay.

 

[atlantis]

Part of one's reaction depends on how the price differentiation is marketed, I think. When "outsiders pay more," that's bad. But when "locals get a discount," that's okay.

This.
You've nailed it. It's all about the way you market it.

 

[Asun]

This.
You've nailed it. It's all about the way you market it.

"Local discount" makes sense in Hawaii where tourists easily outnumber the locals any time of the year. Marketing "local discount" in many places in Indonesia would be incongruous since there is hardly anyone other than "local" visiting.

 

[Burungkecil]

The "locals discount" line might work in some places but here in Indonesia the majority of tourists are young backpackers who are price sensitive. Plus, many tourist sites are simply not worth the usual foreigner tariff of Rp100,000- Rp250,000.
Instead of tourists going back to their respective countries and telling their families and friends how great Indonesia is, they may end up telling them to go elsewhere to avoid being discriminated against and being ripped off.

 

[Puspawarna]

<-- so what do you do at immigration when entering the country and there's an "Indonesian only" line vs "Foreigner line"?

I could be wrong (it hasn't happened yet, but I'm open to the possibility)...but it seems to me like different immigration lines for different kinds of passports/visas is a very practical issue and has nothing to do, necessarily, with discrimination.

I have often traveled on an unusual type of visa, called a DINAS (not to be confused with a PemDah Dinas...same letters, totally different meaning). Most immigration officials are not familiar with it, and if I go through the "random foreigner" line, everyone is inconvenienced - the clueless and embarrassed immigration official who giggles uncomfortably and looks around for someone to help him; me; and the people in line behind me who have to wait longer because of the clown with the weirdo situation in front of them.

But, if I go through the line for diplomats - hey, no problem. Because even though most dip visas aren't like mine, at least they assign someone to that line who actually understands what a DINAS is. So, it's better for everyone.

One solution to the "discrimination" of different lines would be to ensure that every official, in every line, knows how to deal with every possible variation in people's visas. But c'mon. That's not happening. Until it does, differentiating lines for different types of passports and visas makes like easier and faster for everyone.