- Jul 18, 2016
Take it to the cage. I have already set up the popcorn machine and beverage station. You each get a corner person.
He said that I should not talk about Trump on this thread, as he thinks I lack the knowledge about the guy. He was trying to prove his superior handle on Trump by pointing out that Donald is the most peaceful U.S. president in a while. I’m simply returning the favor.
I said we could speak on Trump on Trump's thread-"The Trump Effect", that exists on the forum, not this one, as we would go out of the subject that is "Secular Indonesian groups warn govt to save democracy" and end up on Hunter Biden's laptops. If you can comment Indonesia from the US we also can comment from Indonesia in the opposite way. But again, this thread has no connection with the incumbent US president.
I do not remember when the last time Evangelical rednecks burned/demolished sacral buildings of other faiths on a systemic scale, throwing faeces on people congregating, demolishing synagogues and suppressing religious liberties. It is a false equivalency and relativisation. The last witch burned by the Church was in 1722. The last witch in the world was executed in 2020, but luckily not in Indonesia.
I do not need a Catholic magazine to point me on a fact that I can see every day in Indonesian MSM, even anecdotally in my neighbourhood. I suppose you are not for a long time in Indonesia, but the country is exposed to 20-year Salafist indoctrination paid by Saudi Arabia and that is taking a toll. It will need decades and generations to back the country in normal, if ever. I interpret the latest Government suppression of civil liberties as the last weapon to keep the country under control, while citizens will pay the price.
I think data validation and verification should be taught in school.
I think the IB program has a class called “Theory of Knowledge”, which is basically critical thinking.So should critical thinking. If you met my students, you would probably think they are fairly smart, but if you ask them something simple like why do you like The Avengers, they can't give a much of a detailed response other than they like it and it is good.
If more people used critical thinking, I think most people would be able to see each other's point of view. There would still be bias, but maybe(this might just be me dreaming), there would be less screaming, shouting, and pointing fingers.
You have refreshed my memory. About a couple of decades ago the local Muslim community in my Alabama town was outgrowing their little apartment used for Friday prayer. There was a vacant church building sharing the same parking lot with the county courthouse, so the community started the process of acquiring it for a masjid. It went as well as expected for a small town Alabama. The official reason for the building permit refusal was insufficient parking space. In the same block there was another church and its day school, while across the street was a sinagogue. Somehow parking wasn’t an issue for them, even though neither had a dedicated parking lot.I'm a Muslim in the United States. I have witnessed first hand a number of tools deployed to halt the construction of new masajid, special restrictions placed on Muslim congregants but not congregants of other faiths, and acts of vandalism design to intimidate the local Muslim population. Most of this kind of suppression is done through legal channels of traffic studies, zoning laws, and frivolous lawsuits. That it largely takes on the form of supposed legitimacy does not remove the stink of suppression.
Left to their own devices without the guidance of a secular tradition, Christians and Jews in the United States and elsewhere in the "Western" world would be up to their old tricks. We, as a civilization, got better in spite of our dominant religious traditions, not because of them.
There is some validity to the accusation that the KSA is putting their money behind the spread of Salafi ideology in other Muslim countries, but their influence tends to be exaggerated. Some of the biggest lies in history were believable because they contain a grain of truth.This is my favorite conspiracy theory, the Protocols of the Elders of Saudi Arabia. The notion that a majority of masajid in countries like Indonesia or the United States are funded by the zealous, endless largesse of Saudi Arabia doesn't come from any reliable source. Trying to find the source of where this lie comes from typically brings to figures like Bat Ye'or, David Gaubatz, Robert Spencer et al. If you'd like to believe them unquestioningly, that's your prerogative. It's a world where the occult influence of the Muslim Brotherhood permeates all aspects of Muslim life and where a secret collusion between Western powers and shadowy Muslim forces exists to "Arabize" Europe.
The reality is that Muslims across the world have been undergoing a wave of religious revival and fundamentalism. These events are cyclical in nature, and somewhere in a few decades we'll see a reversal of course. The problem with the annoyingly pious is that they don't like to eat their own dog food. Saudi Arabia, while a deeply conservative country and blessed with tremendous resources, does not at all have the resources to single handedly fund global dawah and every waqf on the planet or even most or even half or even 25% of them.
What is most influential to the Islamic psyche is the notion that our collective civilization has been in decline and, for many millions of Muslim, Islam is the answer. A large number of them lived either under the thumb or sphere of influence of the USSR or under despots. For those people, a more fundamentalist approach to Islam is a kind of revolt against a previous regime.
To be clear on the nature of religion in Indonesia, we're dealing with a country that is NOT secular. Not even close. Indonesia has multiple state-sanctioned religious confessions, but that is not the same thing as secularism. Worrying about "Islamization" is a distraction from Indonesia's real problem which is that it attempts to marry its religions and government in an effort to police morality.
The desire for critical thinking is admirable but trying to bring it about is like pushing a barrel uphill. There are few things more satisfying than having one's prejudices confirmed. It is comforting to just rely on information sources that provide such pleasure. Ask Rupert Murdoch. Confirming right wing views has made him very rich.
I think the IB program has a class called “Theory of Knowledge”, which is basically critical thinking.
I agree it is an uphill battle.
Shame they can't add this to every curriculum, not just IB.
It is easier to teach students how to prepare for the local/state/national tests than teach certain subjects. Based on what I have heard from friends who are/were teachers in Texas, there is a strong emphasis on preparing for the state test as depending on how well the students do, that will determine the money the district receives.
Good heavens. So it's true. The aliens are here amongst us.I was chatting to a bloke who mentioned he was a TOK teacher. I hadn't heard the acronym before so he explained that it stood for Theory of Knowledge and had to do with critical thinking and how we know what we know. I thought that was a great idea and would be really beneficial for all involved.
He then went on at length about his belief that the world was run by "reptoid aliens" and demanded to have sex with my wife.