Realestate

[snpark]

Exactly. A considerable number of digital nomads in Bali, are opting to reside in Canggu.
For digital nomads, it's a sensible choice since paying Rp10 million per month isn't as costly as other options in Bali, such as staying in a high-end hotel or paying rent in their hometown.

For LOCAL Indonesians, they might just rent temporarily while seeking a more favourable deal in property purchase or they might working as high class Indonesian escorts. Other than that, in my opinion, it is naive Indonesian individuals, would consider paying Rp10 million per month for a long-term stay. With that amount, they could instead invest in a mortgage, eventually owning the property and land, which would appreciate over time.

But on a tourist island they don't have job security long-term to commit to a mortgage

Look what happened 3 years ago. Ambassador mall is still half empty.

And a mortgage is great if you live there too but so many jakartans moved to bali. They want land in their own kampung. Not bali.

 

[pantaiema]

you dont live in bali ,so what do you or others know about costs ,here come on !

Well, some people here might need to expand their horizon, especially with nowadays advancement in communication and technology. Here are some illustration

Development and Poverty Professor: While living in or experiencing poverty first-hand can provide valuable insights, it's not a prerequisite for becoming an expert in development and poverty. Professors in this field often study through research, analysis, and collaboration with communities affected by poverty. Their expertise comes from understanding economic, social, and political dynamics rather than personal experience alone.

Language Professors: Mastery of a language doesn't always require living in a country where it's spoken. Language professors often achieve fluency through dedicated study, immersion programs, and teaching experience. Their expertise lies in linguistic theory, pedagogy, and extensive practice, rather than geographic proximity.

Albert Einstein and Relativity Theory: Einstein didn't physically travel the universe to develop his theories. Instead, he relied on thought experiments, mathematical equations, and rigorous scientific inquiry. His groundbreaking insights into physics came from deep conceptual understanding and theoretical innovation, not from interstellar travel.

Criminal Lawyer: While firsthand experience with criminal behaviour can offer unique perspectives, it's not essential for becoming a skilled criminal lawyer. Lawyers specializing in criminal law develop expertise through legal education, courtroom experience, and studying precedents and statutes. Understanding the law, evidence, and trial procedures is crucial for effective representation, regardless of personal history.

I am not claiming I am an expert on Bali property market. But if they have interest anyone could easily learn it from the news, forum, authoritative sources. In each case, expertise comes from a combination of knowledge, skill, experience, and dedication to the field, rather than personal involvement in the subject matter.

 

[Samoerai]

We are talking Canggu. That's where rents are trebled. And again your facts are wrong when 75% of our long stay guests are indonesia single girls. They probably making $1500-$2000 a month online from OF or creating whatever so 10jt for a new clean safe modern kos 5 mins from the beach and with a pool and security makes sense. All inclusive too.

Huh? Indonesian girls on OF?
Didn't know that is possible. Is that allowed in this country. Aren't they afraid police will come and arrest them?

 

[pantaiema]

First, everyone can see prices online. Then there are a lot of places that charge a lot more for a kos in canggu than up to 3jt. Obviously you won't find the hotel workers in a kos for 10jt, doesn't mean they don't excist. All depends on the place and facility.
My niece stays at a workers (low wage) kos in canggu and already pays around 2jt. The place is not too bad but also not super nice, didn't see any swimming pool or anything else snpark describes here around. Different strokes for different folks...

The typical monthly income for workers in Indonesia falls within the range of IDR 4 million to IDR 5 million. Though this figure may not be precise, it does provide a general idea for people.

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Except for business owners or individuals engaged in high-end escort services, most high-paying jobs in Indonesia are concentrated in Jakarta or involve remote work, particularly in digital content creation or roles in ponzi pyramid scheme in investment and insurance. For high end escort services, the locations is important to establish their class.

Many regular jobs in tourist hotspots in Bali is within hospitality Industry. Unless they are GM, business owners, what other kinds of jobs in Bali offer salaries exceeding Rp10 million? And how many Indonesians residing in Bali can afford monthly rents of Rp10 million or more? I wonder if someone could come up with reliable sources. On the absent of the reliable sources, I doubt many will ever believe that sensible Indonesian workers would want to pay rent of Rp10m+ per month.

 

[Balifrog]

Well, some people here might need to expand their horizon, especially with nowadays advancement in communication and technology. Here are some illustration

Development and Poverty Professor: While living in or experiencing poverty first-hand can provide valuable insights, it's not a prerequisite for becoming an expert in development and poverty. Professors in this field often study through research, analysis, and collaboration with communities affected by poverty. Their expertise comes from understanding economic, social, and political dynamics rather than personal experience alone.

Language Professors: Mastery of a language doesn't always require living in a country where it's spoken. Language professors often achieve fluency through dedicated study, immersion programs, and teaching experience. Their expertise lies in linguistic theory, pedagogy, and extensive practice, rather than geographic proximity.

Albert Einstein and Relativity Theory: Einstein didn't physically travel the universe to develop his theories. Instead, he relied on thought experiments, mathematical equations, and rigorous scientific inquiry. His groundbreaking insights into physics came from deep conceptual understanding and theoretical innovation, not from interstellar travel.

Criminal Lawyer: While firsthand experience with criminal behaviour can offer unique perspectives, it's not essential for becoming a skilled criminal lawyer. Lawyers specializing in criminal law develop expertise through legal education, courtroom experience, and studying precedents and statutes. Understanding the law, evidence, and trial procedures is crucial for effective representation, regardless of personal history.

I am not claiming I am an expert on Bali property market. But if they have interest anyone could easily learn it from the news, forum, authoritative sources. In each case, expertise comes from a combination of knowledge, skill, experience, and dedication to the field, rather than personal involvement in the subject matter.

yep, it works.

Our politicians, or Macron, are typical examples.....

Done the best schools, brilliant minds but went from school directly in a Ministery.

ZERO experience about REAL life, zero communication with real people...
And ZERO intention to learn anything about it !

Sorry @snpark ! Back to the topic, because it is indeed an interesting one.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

You seem to have an unusual interest in "high-end escort services".

 

[pantaiema]

But on a tourist island they don't have job security long-term to commit to a mortgage

Look what happened 3 years ago. Ambassador mall is still half empty.

And a mortgage is great if you live there too but so many jakartans moved to bali. They want land in their own kampung. Not bali.

I agree for those working as high class escorts. Residing in such locations may be essential to maintain their class and facilitate close contact with targeted clients.

Also, the nature of this profession often demands frequent relocation to seek out new clientele. Purchasing properties in Bali could potentially limit their market reach.

 

[snpark]

OF is not an escort service. It's webcam.
You pay for a show or access to photos.

If you want escort there's 1000 dating apps for that

 

[Samoerai]

I just checked the kos-kosan in Canggu ...
A lot of variety in choices: from simple room to villa with private swimming pool.

 

[pantaiema]

OF is not an escort service. It's webcam.
You pay for a show or access to photos.

If you want escort there's 1000 dating apps for that

I'm familiar with OnlyFans (OF). While most models primarily focus on cam shows rather than escorting, some OF models worldwide do accept bookings, particularly with individuals they've connected with online through their cam work previously.

For those in Bali who rely solely on OF and avoid escorting, why would they opt for a Rp10 million per month room in Canggu when many other OnlyFans models operate conveniently from their own bedrooms at home on their own home cities?

Except for those who achieve celebrity status with a significant subscriber/follower count or are Indonesian celebrities or soap opera stars, I seriously doubt that many OnlyFans models in Indonesia could afford a monthly rent of Rp10 million in Bali solely through cam shows. This could be easily observed from news reports and statistics. On average, OF models in developed countries earn around US$200 per month.

When it comes to the claim of there being 1000 dating apps, I believe that's just a hyperbolical statement. While there are indeed numerous dating apps in Indonesia, I highly doubt there are as many as 1000. It's widely recognized that only a limited number of popular apps are used for "open bo" purposes in Indonesia.

 

[snpark]

I'm familiar with OnlyFans (OF). While most models primarily focus on cam shows rather than escorting, some OF models worldwide do accept bookings, particularly with individuals they've connected with online through their cam work previously.

For those in Bali who rely solely on OF and avoid escorting, why would they opt for a Rp10 million per month room in Canggu when many other OnlyFans models operate conveniently from their own bedrooms at home on their own home cities?

Except for those who achieve celebrity status with a significant subscriber/follower count or are Indonesian celebrities or soap opera stars, I seriously doubt that many OnlyFans models in Indonesia could afford a monthly rent of Rp10 million in Bali solely through cam shows. This could be easily observed from news reports and statistics. On average, OF models in developed countries earn around US$200 per month.

When it comes to the claim of there being 1000 dating apps, I believe that's just a hyperbolical statement. While there are indeed numerous dating apps in Indonesia, I highly doubt there are as many as 1000. It's widely recognized that only a limited number of popular apps are used for "open bo" purposes in Indonesia.

As usual my old friend you are totally misunderstanding a simple post.

We are talking about income and earning capabilities and how some girls can afford to stay in my kos.

NOT about where they do their filming or photoshoot etc.
They obviously go to a professional studio or a hotel room for that and for the live streaming.

They are not doing it in their kos room where it would be recognizable and easy to find out.

That's what we are talking about. How these girls can afford 10jt. Not where they do their shoots.

And that's only a possibility. I know a lot of girls who also teach yoga. 20 bule Australians 3 times a week etc etc.

Or just doing promotion of products. Blogging. Food reviews. It's amazing how much people can earn. Remember $500 a month for a company to get someone to promote to 100k followers is not much even if they are bots.

But to an indonesian girl. $500 a month is the rent sorted. Another couple of sponsors at $500 a month to plug protein or a yoga mat is kerching.

Plus sayangku in Zurich and mylub in Seattle both send her $300 each and suddenly you have a girl clearing 40jt a month.

For food and drink she has friends working in bars or "dates" for dinner. That's why they've all moved to Bali. Aussies are cheap but calm. Russians pay more but more like to mistreat them.

You want beer and calamari in the forge. Or rose and steak in Finns.

 

[snpark]

I'm familiar with OnlyFans (OF). HAHAHA YES I BET YOU ARE. Lol. FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES ONLY RIGHT?!?!

When it comes to the claim of there being 1000 dating apps, I believe that's just a hyperbolical statement. While there are indeed numerous dating apps in Indonesia, I highly doubt there are as many as 1000. It's widely recognized that only a limited number of popular apps are used for "open bo" purposes in Indonesia.

Oh good God man. Why must you be so antagonistic? Seriously. You know damn well I didn't not mean "1000" exactly. Although I bet for sure there are several dozen at least. Why not Google it and copy paste the YouTube and wiki results "how many dating apps in the world"

1000 was just a figure of speech. Please don't start being an annoying troll winding everyone up all the time.

Just for you "I believe there are a large number of dating apps online. More than 8 but less than 432,981"
There. Happy?!

 

[snpark]

There are over 1,500 dating apps and websites operating worldwide at the moment, and this market is projected to reach $9.2 billion by 2025. What if you had an app that tells you whether the match is your true love or a dream date?7 Mar 2024

 

[snpark]

2024
It is estimated that there are over 8,000 competitive online dating sites and platforms worldwide. How Many People Use Online Dating? In 2022, 366 million ...

 

[Balifrog]

I agree for those working as high class escorts. Residing in such locations may be essential to maintain their class and facilitate close contact with targeted clients.

Also, the nature of this profession often demands frequent relocation to seek out new clientele. Purchasing properties in Bali could potentially limit their market reach.

It's not their role to buy property, that's the boyfriend's role !

 

[jstar]

I have no ambitions to be(come) a germo.

 

[Samoerai]

I have no ambitions to be(come) a germo.

Germo?

I had to look it up ...

3 Arti Kata Germo di Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia (KBBI)

Terdapat 3 arti kata 'germo' di KBBI. Arti kata germo adalah pemburu. Arti lainnya dari germo adalah induk semang bagi perempuan pelacur. Inilah rangkuman definisi germo berdasarkan Kamus Bahasa Indonesia dan berbagai referensi lainnya.

kbbi.lektur.id

 

[snpark]

Ok back on topic lol

 

[Samoerai]

Ok back on topic lol

Okay, so buying and selling property will cost you minimum 12-15% taxes and fee:

5% tax when buying + notaris fee and 5% tax when selling. Plus income tax on the profit, as I understand. So, at least one has to make a minimum of 15% profit to break-even, when selling the property?

Am I right? Probably not ... it's too much.

Btw... The developer I met the other day said, when renting out property, you are lucky when you make 2% profit. Probably only 1% profit per year.

 

[harryopal1]

Okay, so buying and selling property will cost you minimum 12-15% taxes and fee:

5% tax when buying + notaris fee and 5% tax when selling. Plus income tax on the profit, as I understand. So, at least one has to make a minimum of 15% profit to break-even, when selling the property?

Am I right? Probably not ...

Btw... The developer I met the other day said, when renting out property, you are lucky when you make 2% profit. Probably only 1% profit per year.

That looks like the summary he gives the tax man.