Punishment for women who don't want to wear jilbab

[pantaiema]

It seems like you're reaching. There's a range in quality of the boarding schools and some of them are quite good. Is there evidence that those who attend the better boarding schools are not highly competitive students?

I mentioned one of the most important one in the previous message. "the academic criteria for admission in boarding schools is much lower than the the prestigious state high schools"

 

[Bob]

I mentioned one of the most important one in the previous message. "the academic criteria for admission in boarding schools is much lower than the the prestigious state high schools"

The question is about graduates and not new enrollees though.

 

[MickelC]

The local warung has a young assistant with a jilbab, she was recently caught in public having sex with a married man. Westerners often assume that the jilbab means the wearer is a strict Muslim. The truth is rather different.

Black sheep are in every community, but that does not mean you can blame them. However, wearing the jilbab or hijab is prescribed in the Quran and Hadiths, and that is the reason most Muslim Women cover their hair.

 

[fastpitch17]

It looks like someone got up on the wrong side of the bed.
If I'm telling someone that they don't know their subject matter then I try to not be wrong about it myself. You might want to double check what a hadith is.

OK, you tell me what a Hadith is if it is not men throughout Islam history, long after the first telling of the Quran, telling others what they personally feel the Quran is saying or those reporting on what Mohammad thought or mentioned during his time long after his death and the authors never actually knowing or ever coming in contact with him? What more is it than personal interpretations? I don't buy that passed down through word if mouth. We all know what passing verbal messaging does from one to the next person.

 

[John indonesia]

I doubt you really know anything about Islam.

True.

 

[Bob]

OK, you tell me what a Hadith is if it is not men throughout Islam history, long after the first telling of the Quran, telling others what they personally feel the Quran is saying or those reporting on what Mohammad thought or mentioned during his time long after his death and the authors never actually knowing or ever coming in contact with him? What more is it than personal interpretations? I don't buy that passed down through word if mouth. We all know what passing verbal messaging does from one to the next person.

It's not people's interpretations of the Quran. It's the reported words and actions of the Prophet.

 

[Balifrog]

It's not people's interpretations of the Quran. It's the reported words and actions of the Prophet.

Mmmmm... written by who ?

 

[harryopal1]

There is not much point in arguing the toss with true believers of any religion. To question is borderline blasphemy to many and a step way from rage and the need to punish the unbelievers.
There is a group of 14 people on trial in Australia having denied a young child treatment for diabetes. The child died. The group believed that prayer would save her. That she died has not changed their belief that all is in the hands of God. They have chosen not to plead guilty or not guilty and have faith in God's will.

 

[fastpitch17]

It's not people's interpretations of the Quran. It's the reported words and actions of the Prophet.

99% or greater of the hadith's authors were born well after the prophets death. Even centuries. Just were did they get those words and actions from?

C'mon, you know as well as anyone, tell the first guy in a line of 10 a story and by the time it is repeated down the line to the end it is a totally different story. No matter how you look at it, personal interpretations is how they all came to be. Some just called themselves Islamic Scholars but still the same. I imagine many hadith's are only what the author wanted Islam to be to fit his narrative.

 

[Bob]

There is not much point in arguing the toss with true believers of any religion. To question is borderline blasphemy to many and a step way from rage and the need to punish the unbelievers.
There is a group of 14 people on trial in Australia having denied a young child treatment for diabetes. The child died. The group believed that prayer would save her. That she died has not changed their belief that all is in the hands of God. They have chosen not to plead guilty or not guilty and have faith in God's will.
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From time to time similar things happen in the US as well. Yes there are those who believe deeply and are not open to discussion.

 

[Bob]

99% or greater of the hadith's authors were born well after the prophets death. Even centuries. Just were did they get those words and actions from?

C'mon, you know as well as anyone, tell the first guy in a line of 10 a story and by the time it is repeated down the line to the end it is a totally different story. No matter how you look at it, personal interpretations is how they all came to be. Some just called themselves Islamic Scholars but still the same. I imagine many hadith's are only what the author wanted Islam to be to fit his narrative.

My point was and is that you chided a poster for lacking subject matter knowledge while showing a lack yourself. Now that you know what a Hadith is, I'm done.

 

[John indonesia]

My point was and is that you chided a poster for lacking subject matter knowledge while showing a lack yourself. Now that you know what a Hadith is, I'm done.

The difference, is I'm aware of my limitations