Poor Indonesians Fatter Than The Rich.

[Vanhelsing]

I guess somewhat unsurprisingly obesity has seen significant growth in Indonesia, but the highest rate of obesity is apparently being seen in the poorer income groups which seems to me to be at odds with other Asian countries.

The study shows that the proportions of overweight and obese people in Indonesia have increased rapidly over time, with poorer income groups exhibiting the strongest growth of excessive weight..

http://www.asiapathways-adbi.org/20...ty-in-indonesia-increasing-risk-for-the-poor/

 

[Minuteman]

The women are on the KB thing. Guys...?don't know.

 

[Puspawarna]

The women are on the KB thing.

Assuming that by "KB" you mean keluarga berencana, or birth control, why would that make poor women fatter than rich women and Indonesian women fatter than women from other Asian countries? Unless you are postulating that poor Indonesian women tend to use one particular fattening form of BC that no one else uses- presumably something hormonal as condoms, diaphragms and IUDs certainly wouldn't cause people to get fatter. But I don't think depo or BC pills cause significant, long-term weight gain.

 

[Smallworld]

1. What I noticed is that in my gym there are way more Chinese - Indonesian than "native" Indonesian. Is it badminton, gym, aerobic class ect. I can say that Chinese Indonesian are more aware of healthy living by doing sports. It could be from their Chinese culture.

2. The food industry and the culture of eating out... is so huge here, prices are affordable for each layer of society.

 

[dafluff]

Cheap empty carbs everywhere. Everything is either sweet or starchy, and more likely both.

Not very many exercise facilities, nor is there a desire for this, as hard labor and sweating is seen as sign of low economic status.

Everyone hops on a motorbike even to travel 50m.

 

[ChrisTex]

I would say diet based on what you can afford is the main factor. Reminds me of some of the places in Mexico I have been to where most of the diet consists of beans and rice.

 

[Minuteman]

Assuming that by "KB" you mean keluarga berencana, or birth control, why would that make poor women fatter than rich women and Indonesian women fatter than women from other Asian countries? Unless you are postulating that poor Indonesian women tend to use one particular fattening form of BC that no one else uses- presumably something hormonal as condoms, diaphragms and IUDs certainly wouldn't cause people to get fatter. But I don't think depo or BC pills cause significant, long-term weight gain.

I'm talking about the 1 and 3 monthly injections that so many use here. You did not see so many "big" women 2-3 decades ago but now seldom do you see the slim bodied ladies. Once they are married and have their first child, it is straight on the injections and...there ya go.

Mind, this only my idea from observation and it is the only thing I can come up with that has made a major change in lifestyles here over the years.

 

[Anglian]

You only have to watch the TV adverts to see the junk food advertised to see how the kids in particular have blown out

 

[William King]

Mind, this only my idea from observation and it is the only thing I can come up with that has made a major change in lifestyles here over the years.

Walk around with your eyes closed then do you ?

Junk food availability has exponentially increased, motorcycles and cars have exponentially increased.

 

[fastpitch17]

Poorer kids getting fatter is in all likelihood related to cheaper foods containing more sugar and salt including MSG. It's the same the world over, spend less to get more what you don't need for a healthier lifestyle. Nasi which is now the mainstay of every meal wasn't so 20 years ago. The Indonesian diet once contained an assortment of starches of some of which were Nasi, Cassava, and Yams. Packet noodles with their abundance of salts and oils are another cheap alternative to the family actually cooking their meals from scratch. Now it's quick and cheap.

Add the abundance of cheap palm oils used in almost daily cooking and add that most fried foods are cooked to the jerkey stage, their oil intake has gone up considerably. Almost all sauce makings are fried in oil to where they are saturated with the oil and the salts they use.

Breads are fairly new but the consumption has skyrocketed over the past 10 years. While the likes of Bread talk and other high end bakeries are out of reach price wise for the poor, they still contribute to the poorer wanting a bread of some sort and that is normally stuffed with or covered in sugar. Last year they reported that Indonesia's local demand for sugar has been increasing 4% annually.

 

[Felicity]

I guess somewhat unsurprisingly obesity has seen significant growth in Indonesia, but the highest rate of obesity is apparently being seen in the poorer income groups which seems to me to be at odds with other Asian countries.

http://www.asiapathways-adbi.org/20...ty-in-indonesia-increasing-risk-for-the-poor/

is the obesity/overweight growth among poorer only appear in Indonesia? In my understanding, you seemed to compare the obesity/overweight phenomenon in Indonesia with other Asian countries that mentioned in the article. Because from what I see, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand are higher than Indonesia.
Maybe I do not comprehend the English well.

1. What I noticed is that in my gym there are way more Chinese - Indonesian than "native" Indonesian. Is it badminton, gym, aerobic class ect. I can say that Chinese Indonesian are more aware of healthy living by doing sports. It could be from their Chinese culture.

Not according to my observation. I have joined into let's say, nearby-not-so-famous-gym and there are a lot of Indonesians and I have also joined into let's say, middle-class gym such as Gold Gym and Celebrity Fitness, and I have also seen many Indonesians. Maybe just a matter of different locations, different population.

 

[Minuteman]

Walk around with your eyes closed then do you ?

What I meant was that my input is not based on any scientific facts, only what I have noticed over the years. Most Indonesian women I know don't eat at the junk food chains, but the big butts abound.

 

[rugby]

I weighed 2 pieces of bread (sandwich) and weighed beras and then nasi in front of my MIL who was asking about how we diet in the west.
A sandwich portion of bread is a half fraction of what would be considered cukup for a portion of nasi here and yet back home we are advised to avoid even those bread carbs.
I've noticed an average increase in population weight just 8 years here but chalked it up to KFC, Kraft, Pizza Hut and the ilk being premium brands to strive for.
Hopefully the hydrogenated palm oil transfats get socialized to be as risky as masuk angin by medical community here. Not holding my breath

 

[Vanhelsing]

is the obesity/overweight growth among poorer only appear in Indonesia? In my understanding, you seemed to compare the obesity/overweight phenomenon in Indonesia with other Asian countries that mentioned in the article. Because from what I see, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand are higher than Indonesia.
Maybe I do not comprehend the English well.

It's been my experience when living in India, Thailand and Nepal that it is much more likely to see an overweight person living in the city eating at fast food chains and restaurants, wearing nice clothes, driving a car who works in an office as apposed to his or her country cousin who labors away in the fields all day to earn just enough to buy a small bowl of rice and a few leaves of water spinach. I've rarely seen obese poor people in the Asian countries I've lived in.

 

[Smallworld]

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Not according to my observation. I have joined into let's say, nearby-not-so-famous-gym and there are a lot of Indonesians and I have also joined into let's say, middle-class gym such as Gold Gym and Celebrity Fitness, and I have also seen many Indonesians. Maybe just a matter of different locations, different population.

Maybe you are right .. who knows.

 

[Scooterindo]

I blame dunkin donuts personally, their products are dog shit compared to their franchise counterparts in the west.
All deep fried chemicals colourings flavorings and additives. Certainly not a healthy choice.

 

[Anglian]

I blame dunkin donuts personally, their products are dog shit compared to their franchise counterparts in the west.
All deep fried chemicals colourings flavorings and additives. Certainly not a healthy choice.

what surprises me that Indonesians at the airport buy box loads of these crap doughnuts to take to their friends in other parts of Indonesia, I'd be quite upset if someone gave me a box of DDs

 

[Dan]

what surprises me that Indonesians at the airport buy box loads of these crap doughnuts to take to their friends in other parts of Indonesia, I'd be quite upset if someone gave me a box of DDs

I'll take it if you don't want it.

 

[Anglian]

No, I've tried them far to sweet,

 

[tokektokek]

Hopefully the hydrogenated palm oil transfats get socialized to be as risky as masuk angin by medical community here. Not holding my breath

Hydrogenated vegetable oil/transfats, were created in the past to increase the shelf life of vegetable oils. It involves a process of bubbling hydrogen through liquid vegetable oil, which changes the structure of the oil (it was discovered later that this chemical structure is very hard for the body to break down) and causes the oil to become solid at room temperature.

Hydrogenated vegetable oils were used almost everywhere in the food manufacturing industry, from supermarket cakes and doughnuts, to fast food.

Palm oil replaced the need for hydrogenated oils. It does not need to be hydrogenated as it is already a solid and has a long shelf life, and is much more healthier than hydrogenated oils/transfats.

Hydrogenated vegetables are still used in things like soap, but should never have been used in food.

The negative aspect of palm oil is that it is often very unsustainable - palm oil plantations are created which means vast swathes of rainforest are cleared - home to many animals, orangutan's being the most obvious. The haze in recent years was caused by this destruction.