Nuclear submarines and regional security.

[Balifrog]

France's elec production on 12/06

And yep, the export is a good money earner !

 

[Shadrach]

Yea, it's all about Money! Even if Nuclear power plants, meltdowns are deadly! I wouldn't want one in my backyard! Keep your Greedy Money! Stick with good food and wine!

 

[Pak Tani]

France's elec production on 12/06

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And yep, the export is a good money earner !

Talking about export. Thanks to The Greens and people like mr. Flowerpower diatas advocating against nuclear power, Indonesia's coal exports to Europe have reached an all time high. Thanks.

As Thomas Sowell says: There are no solutions, only trade offs. Quite ironic that The Greens chose burning coal and lignite as a trade off. Maybe they should have made themselves useful by studying and researching (in stead of glueing themselves to the road as their way of virtue signalling) so they could come up with proper solutions to 'combat climate change'.

 

[Balifrog]

Interesting article in the German business newspaper 'Handelsblatt'. Which puts Merkel and her government in a very different light.

Even well before the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Berlin suspected that the Kremlin was manipulating the gas market. Angela Merkel knew that Russia intended to blackmail Europe to quickly put the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline into operation, but has been'hiding' that information.

The German government did not take action and was not prepared for the gas crisis. According to confidential documents the newspaper has seen, the German Ministry of Economic Affairs warned in 2021 that Russia was filling European gas supplies “very slowly”. The documents also described that Russian actions threatened to have “dramatic consequences”. By July 2021, Gazprom had filled European gas supplies only half. However, Merkel wanted to give the impression during the last few months as German Chancellor in 2021 that she would leave the country in perfect condition. Worrying reports about unfilled gas stocks in the run-up to the winter period did not fit into that picture.

Merkel then told 'Handelsblatt' that there was no reason to believe that Russia was limiting gas supplies to Europe. She saw no signs of that at all. 'Is there enough ordered, or is the high price at the moment perhaps also a reason not to order that much?' Merkel countered the concerns, while defending the Russian energy company Gazprom.

The Nord Stream 2 pipeline, which would double Russian supplies of natural gas via a Baltic Sea route to Germany, was already controversial from the start. The 10 billion euro project received fierce criticism from allies such as Poland, Ukraine and the United States. According to critics, the pipeline made Europe too dependent on Russia for gas supply and thus provided Moscow with a diplomatic weapon.

You seem to forget that Putin didn't turn off the gaz supply.
It was the West in it's immense stupidity who decided to boycott the Russian gaz !
Shooting themselve in the foot, and punishing the Europeans with high prices....
And now we import US LNG which is way more expensive and polluting (liquification, tranport, gazification).

 

[MamangDudul]

You seem to forget that Putin didn't turn off the gaz supply.
It was the West in it's immense stupidity who decided to boycott the Russian gaz !
Shooting themselve in the foot, and punishing the Europeans with high prices....
And now we import US LNG which is way more expensive and polluting (liquification, tranport, gazification).

No I didn't forget it, I just didn't really say it the right way. That's what I meant with, "the second something turns the west anti russian" Germany also becomes their enemy and plays the sanction game.

 

[Bob]

Quick question about nuclear: what's the latest best practice for storing the waste? Years ago the cost and danger of managing the waste was noted as an important downside to building new plants.

 

[Balifrog]

Quick question about nuclear: what's the latest best practice for storing the waste? Years ago the cost and danger of managing the waste was noted as an important downside to building new plants.

Burry it and hope the next generation will find a solution.....

 

[Hawk256]

Quick question about nuclear: what's the latest best practice for storing the waste? Years ago the cost and danger of managing the waste was noted as an important downside to building new plants.

In a properly desgined and functioning system the actual waste is a very small component. Like a single brick per year small. The fact that other objects absorb the radiation makes the answer a little more complicated but it's no where near the problem of what to do with mountains of burned coal.

Nuclear Essentials - World Nuclear Association

 

[harryopal1]

I would prefer to live near a mountain of burned coal than close to a hot brick of nuclear waste.

If the only waste is an occasional hot brick then why the international fuss about a mere 500,000 tons of waste water from Fukushima being poured into the sea.

 

[harryopal1]

In a properly desgined and functioning system the actual waste is a very small component. Like a single brick per year small. The fact that other objects absorb the radiation makes the answer a little more complicated but it's no where near the problem of what to do with mountains of burned coal.

Nuclear Essentials - World Nuclear Association

A lot of resistance is based on the fact that things can and do go wrong. Those with a vested interest in developing nuclear energy are great at public relations and covering up. Working as a journalist in the 70s, Westinghouse in particular were pushing hard for more development and we used to receive these glossy packages explaining how safe it all was and making claims for hundreds of years of fault free operation. Forty years ago Westinghouse built a reactor at Bataan in the Phillipines despite it being in the seismic ring of fire. Cost about $2.2 billion and Hernando Disini, a Marcos crony, was paid millions of dollars for enabling the project. It was shelved when the Marcos government fell. It is costing the Philippines about $800 million a year in maintenance. Yet Bongbong Marcos is reported at looking again at nuclear power for the future.

 

[Hawk256]

I would prefer to live near a mountain of burned coal than close to a hot brick of nuclear waste.
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If the only waste is an occasional hot brick then why the international fuss about a mere 500,000 tons of waste water from Fukushima being poured into the sea.

Not exactly a normal operation. When something goes wrong, all bets of normality are off.Live in fear of someting that could happen in rare cases (that still dosn't destoy the enviroment for thousands of years) or continue down the path of coal burning and 100% harming the enviroment while we wait for something else to be invented. Nothing else is close to fulling the needs. We are going to run out of coal a long time before be we do nuclar sources. Plus you get to save all that CO2 pumped in the air. No reason for me to sell anyone on nuclear power but it isn't exactly the worst choice we could make.

 

[Dave70]

If the only waste is an occasional hot brick then why the international fuss about a mere 500,000 tons of waste water from Fukushima being poured into the sea.

It's NOT waste water from a properly functioning nuclear power plant BUT nuclear-contaminated waste water used in cooling the badly damaged reactor cores, big difference.

 

[harryopal1]

It's NOT waste water from a properly functioning nuclear power plant BUT nuclear-contaminated waste water used in cooling the badly damaged reactor cores, big difference.

My point is that malfunctions with nuclear reactors are a very different proposition to malfunctions with other forms of energy production. I accept that when a nuclear power plant is operating normallly there is not such great risk other than the still incompletely resolved issue of "normal' waste management. Given the propensity for human error and unforeseen maintenance problems there is the lurking potential for catastrophe and thanks, I would rather not live anywhere near these plants. and I hope that Australia remains free from this energy resort.

 

[Balifrog]

Not easy to

My point is that malfunctions with nuclear reactors are a very different proposition to malfunctions with other forms of energy production. I accept that when a nuclear power plant is operating normallly there is not such great risk other than the still incompletely resolved issue of "normal' waste management. Given the propensity for human error and unforeseen maintenance problems there is the lurking potential for catastrophe and thanks, I would rather not live anywhere near these plants. and I hope that Australia remains free from this energy resort.

Try to live far away from one in France....

In over 50 years of operation there has never been a mortal accident.
And people who work in nuclear power plants tend to live longer than coal miners....

 

[Shadrach]

Not easy to

Try to live far away from one in France....

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In over 50 years of operation there has never been a mortal accident.
And people who work in nuclear power plants tend to live longer than coal miners....

Now you make me think twice, about any food products from France! How about some glow in the dark Brie? The rationale about Nuclear power plant workers living longer than coal miners is a strange comparison! I was always told, two wrongs, don't make a Right!

 

[Shadrach]

My point is that malfunctions with nuclear reactors are a very different proposition to malfunctions with other forms of energy production. I accept that when a nuclear power plant is operating normallly there is not such great risk other than the still incompletely resolved issue of "normal' waste management. Given the propensity for human error and unforeseen maintenance problems there is the lurking potential for catastrophe and thanks, I would rather not live anywhere near these plants. and I hope that Australia remains free from this energy resort.

I hope so also Harryopal! But wasn't there much ado about Australia buying Nuclear Submarines? It seems Humans are doing their best, to destroy all life on this planet, as quickly as possible!

 

[fastpitch17]

Now you make me think twice, about any food products from France! How about some glow in the dark Brie? The rationale about Nuclear power plant workers living longer than coal miners is a strange comparison! I was always told, two wrongs, don't make a Right!

For christ sake. Do you really believe radiation is leaking everywhere contaminating everything? Just wow.

 

[jstar]

Perhaps Pak @Shadrach should consider selling his 60ies Rolex Submariner to me since the light emitting radium on the arms could be dangerous…

 

[Balifrog]

Now you make me think twice, about any food products from France! How about some glow in the dark Brie? The rationale about Nuclear power plant workers living longer than coal miners is a strange comparison! I was always told, two wrongs, don't make a Right!

Nothing wrong with a few Kiloton of fun !
Note that we were wearing shorts and sandals !
Good fun and well paid ! And still alive 50 years later !
But seeing where the cloud drifted I wouldn't have touched the Aussie wine

 

[fastpitch17]

Perhaps Pak @Shadrach should consider selling his 60ies Rolex Submariner to me since the light emitting radium on the arms could be dangerous…

While he's at it, better stay away from any business or home that uses a Microwave oven. Damn, best to stay out of any sunlight too. At least if we ever see someone covered in aluminum foil, we know who it is.

I wonder if Shadrach has any clue that a lot of food around the world, especially set for export is irradiated?