KTP Orang Asing compulsory?

[scouser59]

yap the rules have changed in badung catalan sipil manual to ektp , after visiting this morning , I arrived with all the usual foto copies , but the system is not yet functioning hmmm ! to be continued .

 

[Anglian]

yap the rules have changed in badung catalan sipil manual to ektp , after visiting this morning , I arrived with all the usual foto copies , but the system is not yet functioning hmmm ! to be continued .

I've given all my copies required for the KTP, into are really efficient(?) RT man, see how long it takes him to produce the request letter, exciting isn't.

 

[all4ywh]

I would be interested to know your process for kitap renewal , thanks.

Yes, in december when I start the process I will share my experience in this thread : https://forum.expatindo.org/showthread.php?349-KITAP-first-renewal-question

I am planning to do the less expensive regular renewal and not the "lifetime" renewal because at this time not sure if my household will continue to live in Indonesia past the next 5 years...

 

[all4ywh]

yap the rules have changed in badung catalan sipil manual to ektp , after visiting this morning , I arrived with all the usual foto copies , but the system is not yet functioning hmmm ! to be continued .

Your Catatan Sipil's system is not able to process your request to convert to e-KTP?

 

[scouser59]

Your Catatan Sipil's system is not able to process your request to convert to e-KTP?

yap the system is not working yet , we will call in a week .

 

[scouser59]

Yes, in december when I start the process I will share my experience in this thread : https://forum.expatindo.org/showthread.php?349-KITAP-first-renewal-question

I am planning to do the less expensive regular renewal and not the "lifetime" renewal because at this time not sure if my household will continue to live in Indonesia past the next 5 years...

the ktp 5 year is free , when you have a lifetime kitap the ktp will follow ie lifetime which is also free.

 

[Bad_azz]

the ktp 5 year is free , when you have a lifetime kitap the ktp will follow ie lifetime which is also free.

Glad this thread is active, it keeps reminding me to go sort my KTP/KK out... and I still haven't got there.

 

[Anglian]

Be interesting to see if I have same problems as scouse

 

[Davita]

Yes, in december when I start the process I will share my experience in this thread : https://forum.expatindo.org/showthread.php?349-KITAP-first-renewal-question

I am planning to do the less expensive regular renewal and not the "lifetime" renewal because at this time not sure if my household will continue to live in Indonesia past the next 5 years...

Are you sure you can get a regular (i.e. 5 year renewal Kitap) instead of the more expensive 'lifetime' renewal?
I'm curious as I'll be 83.5 years old when my current Kitap1 expires....so another 5 years might be enough....
Can I go back to an annual Kitas?
Maybe save some money as there is no refund if I expire......

 

[fastpitch17]

Yes, in december when I start the process I will share my experience in this thread : https://forum.expatindo.org/showthread.php?349-KITAP-first-renewal-question

I am planning to do the less expensive regular renewal and not the "lifetime" renewal because at this time not sure if my household will continue to live in Indonesia past the next 5 years...

I do not believe you have any options. After the first 5 year KITAP the only option is the lifetime renewal.

 

[Bad_azz]

I do not believe you have any options. After the first 5 year KITAP the only option is the lifetime renewal.

Really? I thought one could go for a further extension of 5 years.

 

[jstar]

Nope.

 

[fastpitch17]

Really? I thought one could go for a further extension of 5 years.

No, the first is 5 years and the second is forever.

 

[Bad_azz]

I really should pay more attention in class

 

[Davita]

No, the first is 5 years and the second is forever.

Thanks for the info...it is as I thought.
But what about letting the Kitap expire then apply for a new Kitas....leave for Singapore and return with a new ITAS, get a new Kitas and renew for another 5 times Kitas.

 

[fastpitch17]

Thanks for the info...it is as I thought.
But what about letting the Kitap expire then apply for a new Kitas....leave for Singapore and return with a new ITAS, get a new Kitas and renew for another 5 times Kitas.

That may work. Not really sure on that.

 

[all4ywh]

Really? I thought one could go for a further extension of 5 years.

No, the first is 5 years and the second is forever.

Nope.

Not to hijack this thread about the KITAP renewal (maybe the moderators could transfer our comments over to this thread : https://forum.expatindo.org/showthread.php?349-KITAP-first-renewal-question/page5), but from where did both of you (fastipitch17 and jstar) obtain the informaton that currently there is only the "lifetime" option for the KITAP renewal?

I have checked the Law & Human Rights Ministry's website (Immigration Department is under this Ministry) and only see these statements related to the time period of the KITAP :

http://www.kemenkumham.go.id/v2/inf...s#berapa-lama-masa-berlaku-izin-tinggal-tetap

Berapa lama masa berlaku Izin Tinggal Tetap?

1. Izin Tinggal Tetap diberikan untuk waktu 5 (lima) tahun.
2. Izin Tinggal dapat diberikan perpanjangan untuk jangka waktu tidak terbatas dengan ketentuan sepanjangIzin Tinggalnya tidak dibatalkan.
3. Orang Asing pemegang Izin Tinggal Tetap yang telah melakukan perpanjangan wajib melapor ke Kantor Imigrasi yang wilayah kerjanya meliputi tempat tinggal Orang Asing setiap 5 (lima) tahun.

Point #2 stands out to me : "Izin Tinggal dapat diberikan perpanjangan untuk jangka waktu tidak terbatas..."

Based on my reading of that statement with the use of the word "dapat" (able) instead of "harus" (must), one could conclude that the "lifetime" KITAP is an option, but not the only option.

At this time I am asking because in less than 3 months I must renew my KITAP.

 

[Bad_azz]

Not to hijack this thread about the KITAP renewal (maybe the moderators could transfer our comments over to this thread : https://forum.expatindo.org/showthread.php?349-KITAP-first-renewal-question/page5), but from where did both of you (fastipitch17 and jstar) obtain the informaton that currently there is only the "lifetime" option for the KITAP renewal?

I have checked the Law & Human Rights Ministry's website (Immigration Department is under this Ministry) and only see these statements related to the time period of the KITAP :

http://www.kemenkumham.go.id/v2/inf...s#berapa-lama-masa-berlaku-izin-tinggal-tetap

Berapa lama masa berlaku Izin Tinggal Tetap?

1. Izin Tinggal Tetap diberikan untuk waktu 5 (lima) tahun.
2. Izin Tinggal dapat diberikan perpanjangan untuk jangka waktu tidak terbatas dengan ketentuan sepanjangIzin Tinggalnya tidak dibatalkan.
3. Orang Asing pemegang Izin Tinggal Tetap yang telah melakukan perpanjangan wajib melapor ke Kantor Imigrasi yang wilayah kerjanya meliputi tempat tinggal Orang Asing setiap 5 (lima) tahun.

Point #2 stands out to me : "Izin Tinggal dapat diberikan perpanjangan untuk jangka waktu tidak terbatas..."

Based on my reading of that statement with the use of the word "dapat" (able) instead of "harus" (must), one could conclude that the "lifetime" KITAP is an option, but not the only option.

At this time I am asking because in less than 3 months I must renew my KITAP.

It is entirely possible that the "may be" pertains to the fact that the granting of a visa is never guaranteed.

 

[atlantis]

Not to hijack this thread about the KITAP renewal (maybe the moderators could transfer our comments over to this thread : https://forum.expatindo.org/showthread.php?349-KITAP-first-renewal-question/page5), but from where did both of you (fastipitch17 and jstar) obtain the informaton that currently there is only the "lifetime" option for the KITAP renewal?

I have checked the Law & Human Rights Ministry's website (Immigration Department is under this Ministry) and only see these statements related to the time period of the KITAP :

http://www.kemenkumham.go.id/v2/inf...s#berapa-lama-masa-berlaku-izin-tinggal-tetap

Berapa lama masa berlaku Izin Tinggal Tetap?

1. Izin Tinggal Tetap diberikan untuk waktu 5 (lima) tahun.
2. Izin Tinggal dapat diberikan perpanjangan untuk jangka waktu tidak terbatas dengan ketentuan sepanjangIzin Tinggalnya tidak dibatalkan.
3. Orang Asing pemegang Izin Tinggal Tetap yang telah melakukan perpanjangan wajib melapor ke Kantor Imigrasi yang wilayah kerjanya meliputi tempat tinggal Orang Asing setiap 5 (lima) tahun.

Point #2 stands out to me : "Izin Tinggal dapat diberikan perpanjangan untuk jangka waktu tidak terbatas..."

Based on my reading of that statement with the use of the word "dapat" (able) instead of "harus" (must), one could conclude that the "lifetime" KITAP is an option, but not the only option.

At this time I am asking because in less than 3 months I must renew my KITAP.

This is the law, all4ywh.


Pasal 59 UU 6/2011
(1) Izin Tinggal Tetap diberikan untuk jangka waktu 5 (lima) tahun dan dapat diperpanjang untuk waktu yang tidak terbatas sepanjang izinnya tidak dibatalkan.
(2) Pemegang Izin Tinggal Tetap untuk jangka waktu yang tidak terbatas sebagaimana dimaksud pada ayat (1) wajib melapor ke Kantor Imigrasi setiap 5 (lima) tahun dan tidak dikenai biaya.

The correct translation for the above article would be:
Permanent stay Permit are granted for a period of five years and may be extended for an indefinite period as long as the permit is not cancelled.

The "dapat" introducing a possibility refers to the fact that it may be extended and not to the fact that the extension may be for an indefinite period. Extension are NOT automatic and an ITAP may not be extended for various reasons. Hence the use of the word "dapat". They would never have included the word "harus" (beside the fact that it wouldn't be correct) because extension are only a possibility and never automatic.

Further to UU 6/2011, none of the subsequent regulation mentioned an extension for only 5 years. Any mention made about extension always mention the fact that they are issued for an indefinite period with only a date to report on the card.

Last, the fee for an extension of KITAP is Rp 10.000.000 (Rp 10.200.000 for an e-KITAP) and the fee for the "only 5 years extension" has been removed in June 2014. Until june 2014, Imigrasi was still issuing extension for KITAP with a period of only 5 years at a fee of rp 2.000.000 but it was only due to the fact that they had no implementing regulation for the indefinite time KITAP.

Here is the latest reg on the matter of fees where you can verify that there is no mention of an extension of 5 year KITAP: http://portal.ahu.go.id/uploads/688278_PP Nomor 10 Tahun 2015.pdf

 

[atlantis]

The only way for you (all4ywh) to get an ITAP of only five years is to do as per Davita's #55:

1. EPO
2. VITAS then ITAS
3. ahli status ITAS mejadi ITAP

Not worth the hassle and perhaps not even economically an interesting solution if you add all the fees + visa run.