KITAS EFF Retirement Visa

[marcus]

Naaa, I am sure you know better than immigration dept ?

Now I am even more confused .

 

[Balifrog]

I am still confused .

But let me guess . First you presented information from 2 visa agents and now you talk about Immigration Department . Are you trying to say that the Immigration Department agrees with what these 2 agents are informing ?

I dont have time to waste with this kind of sh*t.

 

[snpark]

He was pointing out the costs I believe
The official cost and then with sponsor / agent

But ultimately I have to say and ask, this visa is 8loody expensive and complicated considering the alternatives?

What are the actual benefits really? You don't need to leave the country ever again?
Why not just get a 1 or 2 year biz visa and renew, or even the 6 monthly one and pop to SG for an afternoon to pick up a nice bottle

Next year I am eligible for this retirement visa but I just cannot justify the huge cost or complications with agents etc

On a kitas here through "my" PT company with a long term friend as sponsor and director, never had any problem with her or immigration so just can't see the point to transition to retirement visa which actually explicitly prohibits "work" whereas currently is no problem me meeting a client even if I am paid for work I did outside regarding projects outside, and anyway I pay taxes to get my NPWP since I declare the minimum salary required as a director which tax office stated on paper is $2,500 a month so 10% is $250 a month, all this paid directly with receipt and tax certificate issued, NPWP card and also BJPS etc etc, the only thing I never bothered with is SIM A, I can drive but just don't bother, agent even said if I want licence she can get me free without even going to the station or office. I carry a small laminated copy of my PP, KITAS PDF and even my covid certs 1,2, and 3. Usually in the day my original passports and bank books all with me in case need to get to CGK ASAP (my bug out bag lol)

But that's me.

 

[snpark]

I am still confused .

But let me guess . First you presented information from 2 visa agents and now you talk about Immigration Department . Are you trying to say that the Immigration Department agrees with what these 2 agents are informing ?

TBH I am more inclined to agree with anything the new 2020s immigration says then various agents, especially about prices. Some of these agents sites are very dated and incorrect and advertise being run by expensive bule with fancy offices which is reflected in what they charge

Also most of them talk out their a55 especially when it comes to e.g how to "own" property and get free visa, with an * and then it says price excludes sponsor fee blah blah blah

 

[Balifrog]

But that's me.

We all have different situations.

I am 73, worked from 15 till 64, so I have ZERO intention to work now.
I travelled all my life, fed up with it, specially as nowadays it is a real hassle.
I have also zero intention to "fall in love" and marry. Same for my companion.
Yes, it is bloody expensive, could have a nice gastronomic holiday in France for that.
But honestly the retirement visa is not complicated at all.
F.Y.I. I always was a full package expat, detached by France HQ. Never handled a visa or W.P. or rental, all done by my employer.
During my career in various countries I had to deal with immigration (indirectly), custom, police, fire dept...and a few others.
Can't be hassled with it anymore.

 

[Balifrog]

TBH I am more inclined to agree with anything the new 2020s immigration says then various agents, especially about prices. Some of these agents sites are very dated and incorrect and advertise being run by expensive bule with fancy offices which is reflected in what they charge

Also most of them talk out their a55 especially when it comes to e.g how to "own" property and get free visa, with an * and then it says price excludes sponsor fee blah blah blah

Before coming here, from HKG, I contacted 4 agents in Bali, had a meeting with each of them on my first trip here.
Just by their email response you can easily see who is professionnal.
After meeting them, only one was declared "pro". FYI, one of them arranged a meeting at KFC...Not really serious.
Never saw one managed by a bule.

And we know that according to your location the rules can varie. Same for the price of the agent.

First 1 year KITAS (2017) was 8,5 m, now it's 12 to 15. And it will not get cheaper in the future....
Same for the immigration rules.

 

[marcus]

... I have to say and ask, this visa is 8loody expensive and complicated considering the alternatives? ...

It was complicated before but not anymore .

Expensive is what some agents are charging . For example , charging Rp15 million for something that cost Rp7 million (Immigration's official price) is too much in my view . It requires just around 2 hours total online computer work (more than US$200 per hour in this example) .

You don't need to leave the country ever again?

Yes , if the agent/sponsor continue extending the ITAS , converting ITAS to ITAP , and extending the ITAP (like any other sponsored Visa/ITAS type) .

Why not just get a 1 or 2 year biz visa and renew, or even the 6 monthly one and pop to SG for an afternoon to pick up a nice bottle ...

It is up to each person to decide .

TBH I am more inclined to agree with anything the new 2020s immigration says then various agents,

By Law we must follow the Laws and Regulations .

Agents sometimes ask for a little different set of documents because somehow they can do things like that . But if we hire this type of agent , it may harm us in the future .

especially about prices.

Agent's price are independent of Immigration's price and the agent can (probably) legally charge as much as he/she wants .