Kitap complications.

I'm quite interested in this thread, and still not clear on a couple fine points.

If you have a (recently registered - within one year) Surat Keterangan Nikah (SKN), as I mentioned above from my trip last year, showing that you've been married for 16 years:

1. Does that suffice for the 10 year requirement?
2. Does it also suffice for the 2 year requirement?
3. In other words, does the clock start ticking when you finally received this document, or is it from the date of the marriage as shown on the SKN?
It is from the date you have been considered legally married as per Indonesian Law, which means the date the marriage has been reported and acknowledged.
It is a legal requirement to report a marriage abroad to the Indonesian Embassy and to then report it to Catatan Sipil in the 1 months of the return to Indonesia of the WNI. If one hasn't done it, it is difficult to claim rights an earlier report would have granted. I am not judgemental or anything, just trying to explain how it will be viewed.

This being said, not having many law experts unlike the KanWil, kantor Imigrasi may accept an application taking in account the date of the marriage abroad rather than the date of report. The application may go all the way through, but if it is scrutinized, good chances are that it will be rejected.
 
@Davita,
May I kindly ask you from what source you took this paragraph (and the subsequent) from? In fact I am the one who wrote these lines in May 2011 soon after the enactment of UU 6/2011. It was in a succession of posts explaining the then new law, chapter by chapter. Your source has just redacted my usual typos and bad grammar. :) Though I have an idea where you got it, I guess they (she) didn't quote their (her) source, as usual. I just would like to make sure of it.

Sure...I sourced my info from Practical Information for Expats in Indonesia....:generously sponsored by'Colliers International'.
 
Sure...I sourced my info from Practical Information for Expats in Indonesia....:generously sponsored by'Colliers International'.
Hahaha... They really have no shame...
 
It is from the date you have been considered legally married as per Indonesian Law, which means the date the marriage has been reported and acknowledged.
It is a legal requirement to report a marriage abroad to the Indonesian Embassy and to then report it to Catatan Sipil in the 1 months of the return to Indonesia of the WNI. If one hasn't done it, it is difficult to claim rights an earlier report would have granted. I am not judgemental or anything, just trying to explain how it will be viewed..

This being said, not having many law experts unlike the KanWil, kantor Imigrasi may accept an application taking in account the date of the marriage abroad rather than the date of report. The application may go all the way through, but if it is scrutinized, good chances are that it will be rejected.

Thanks for the clarification. It's better to know these small details, than not... If that ends up being the case, I've got another year to wait. The worst case scenario would be getting one or two interim SosBud visas if I end up going soon. Three more years after that, to get the ITAP, and five more until the lifetime status.
 
It is from the date you have been considered legally married as per Indonesian Law, which means the date the marriage has been reported and acknowledged.
It is a legal requirement to declare a marriage abroad in the 1 months (Prior to 2006 it was 1 year) it occurred. If one hasn't done it, it is difficult to claim rights an earlier report would have granted. I am not judgemental or anything, just trying to explain how it will be viewed.

This being said, not having many law experts unlike the KanWil, kantor Imigrasi may accept an application taking in account the date of the marriage abroad rather than the date of report. The application may go all the way through, but if it is scrutinized, good chances are that it will be rejected.

I agree with this analysis, so harryopal may have to wait til April 2019 to apply. It does beg the question however, as to what happens to the 5.5 juta application fee that was paid? Clearly it should either be refunded or held as credit pending the application next April?
 
Three more years after that, to get the ITAP, and five more until the lifetime status.
Though I understand what you mean, there are no "lifetime status". The ITAP will be first granted for 5 years, then an extension will be given for 5 years, and subsequent extensions may be granted "for free", provided to report on time and are still eligible.
There is no mention of "no expiration" or "lifetime" on the extended KITAP but there is the date at which you need to report.

Also, a common mistake done is to speak about the "free KITAPs" after the first extension. As we all know there is nothing free in life. If the card by itself is free, an ITAP holder will still have to pay for the MERP and the biometrik fee at each "free report".
 
I agree with this analysis, so harryopal may have to wait til April 2019 to apply. It does beg the question however, as to what happens to the 5.5 juta application fee that was paid? Clearly it should either be refunded or held as credit pending the application next April?
Refunds are possible.
 
The problem isn't here, jstar. The problem is that, although they married in 2013, they registered the marriage only on April 2017. Since the enactment of UU 6/2011 the interpretation of the "2 years of marriage" for those married outside Indonesia is to consider the valid date of marriage as April 2017. Keep in mind that before that date, under Indonesian law, Mrs harryopal was considered as single under Indonesian Law. For Imigrasi, on April 2019, Harryopal will be eligible for a KITAP. Jakarta, may decide to validate the ITAP but it would be surprising because they have consistently considered the date of registration as the date of marriage the civil union started.

Atlantis, thanks for the replies. Actually we registered the marriage on the 15th of August of 2016. And, the follow up in 2017 was to ensure my wife's name was shown as Rosma Widayati and not Widayati Rosma. (Confusion over what was her "surname." ) I earlier posted on this forum that this was April 2017. (My mistake ) It was actually January 2017 and the stamp was on the returned Queensland marriage certificate and indicating the Consul received our request and had sorted the name confusion. I now accept and understand that 2 years registration is required to be eligible to apply for Kitap. So, with the actual registration with the Consul being 15th of August 2016 I wonder if there is a chance we might just get through.

My wife has signed a short statement which we will ask the immigration officers to attach to the Queensland marriage certificate that has the 2017 stamp indicating receipt of our request to ensure the name was entered properly.

"Suami saya dan saya menikah pada 8 April 2013. Kami mendaftarkan pernikahan dengan Konsulat Jenderal Republik Indonesia pada 15 Agustus 2016 seperti yang ditunjukkan pada sertifikat dari Konsulat yang disertakan dengan dokumen-dokumen ini.

Pada bulan Januari 2017 saya menulis surat kepada konsul dan meminta agar nama saya dicatat seperti paspor saya sebagai Rosma Widayati dan bukan Widayati Rosma. Kami menerima saran bahwa ini telah dilakukan dan Konsulat mengembalikan salinan Surat Nikah kami di Queensland (sebagaimana terlampir) dengan cap dari Konsulat tertanggal 16 Januari 2017 yang mengkonfirmasi penerimaan permintaan saya. Tetapi pendaftaran perkawinan kami yang sebenarnya tercatat pada tanggal 15 Agustus 2016. Rosma Widayati"

This is meant to convey as follows:
"My husband and I were married on April 8, 2013. We registered our marriage with the Consulate General of the Republic of Indonesia on August 15, 2016 as indicated in the certificate from the Consulate included with these documents.
In January 2017 I wrote a letter to the consul and asked that my name be recorded as in my passport as Rosma Widayati and not Widayati Rosma. We received advice that this has been done and the Consulate returned a copy of our Marriage Certificate in Queensland (as attached) with a stamp from the Consulate dated January 16, 2017 which confirms receipt of my request. But our actual marriage registration was recorded on August 15, 2016 Rosma Widayati."

So, as stated above, I hope the fact that the actual registration with the Consul being August 15 2016 might make us eligible.

Before and after coming to Indonesia I read innumerable threads about visa application processes but don't recall any that made the point that the marriage should be registered immediately and that a 2 year lodgement was required. I am sure there must be other people married overseas who were not planning to live in Indonesia and did not immediately register their marriage. We had thought that entitlement for Kitap eligibility was based on proof of being married for more than 2 years.

With all that, thanks for the many responses. Sorry that it is rather confusing but it may highlight for others the importance of prompt registration of a marriage with the Indonesian authorities
 
Fun and games with Kitap. When we applied for my Kitas we were living not far away at Kos 168. Shortly after we found a suitable house and moved. We lodged the initial Kitap application at the end of May with the new address. At Renon Immigrasi last week my wife was told she must formally report to Ngurah Rai Immigrasi kantor that we are living together at the new address as somehow they had me at the new address and my wife at the old address. So yesterday my wife reported and signed a document at Ngurah Rai with us both living at the new address . At that time my wife confirmed that I would not be overstaying while the new application is processed even though the Kitas formally expired in July.
Today we had a call saying we must lodge the Kitap application with the old address otherwise I would be overstaying. So we have a meeting tomorrow. It seems a bit weird to make an application from an address where we are now not living and having been formally interviewed by Immigration officers at our present address.
 
Of course your dossier should be solely identified by your unique NIK instead of address, esp. if you’re still in the same kelurahan and Imigrasi office....:noidea:
 
jstar, thanks for the response.
We spent an hour and a half with 3 officers at Renon on Wednesday and we are now told everything is okay and the documents will be sent to Jakarta. (No money changed hands.) It was said we should have a decision in about 3 weeks. So... fingers crossed.

By the way, my wife suggests if the Kitap comes through okay we should take the officers at Renon to lunch. My wife is Indonesian. I am two minds. Part of me asks should they be rewarded for just doing their job? And the other part wonders if it is okay and not crossing the line into corruption?
 
I wouldn't take them to lunch , as you said "doing their job" , for which you are paying for , thank you should suffice . Getting to close to these people ,in my view, could be hazardous .
 
Stone the crows! On the 20th of September we learned our Kitap application was now okay and would be forwarded to Jakarta. Five weeks on no news and getting a bit edgy and wondering if we were going to have to leave, organize another Sosbud, then to Kitas and on again to Kitap. Nearly 7 months since the original application.

And then today...... we were told our Kitap has been approved and we pick up passport and other documents at Ngurah Rai Immigration Office in Jimbaran tomorrow. We have a wedding to go to in Bandung on the 9th of this month and was looking at going on to Melbourne around the 15th. So now we can go ahead with that and what a relief to avoid innumerable visits to immigration offices had our application been rejected.

A reminder then to would be applicants for Kitap. Make sure your marriage has been registered with Indon authorities 2 years prior to applying. The irony is that had our application been processed quickly in April or May we would not have been eligible. The long delay mean that by the time the application went to Jakarta we were just over the 2 year requirement. Our case was further complicated by changing address from our Kitas approval but thank goodness it worked out.

Across the various procedures my wife did the paper work and we avoided agency fees.

Thanks to the many forum members who responded to my often bewildering enquiries and for the information that is to be found in the Forum files.
 
We picked up the passport today with the 5 year Kitap. Yipee and so on. And then at home found the multi entry stamp is just for two years. Is this usual? Why not the same period as the Kitap?
 
As far as I know, the maximum length of a multi entry is 2 years ,that may change in the future ,unless someone knows different ?
 
Of course the whole MERP ("Let's have foreigners with stay permits pay if they want to leave and re-enter the country".) concept is utterly ridiculous and useless. It was probably inspired by that airport tax at the time together with some healthy suspicion.

Anyway, two years it is (with ITAP) and hopefully one day it will be 5-years, then abrogated and included in KITAP/S.
 
Indonesia – five-year multiple-entry visitor visas now available
Effective 28 June 2016, foreign nationals can apply for a multiple-entry visitor visa (Visa Kunjungan) valid for five years, rather than for just one year, as previously.

That information was posted August 2016

https://www.relocatemagazine.com/indonesia--five-year-multiple-entry-visitor-visas-now-available

But I find the story a bit confusing. Anyway, at least not having to make frequent visits to immigration for 2 years is a blessing after the many visits we have made to date. Everything changes so who knows what will take place in the next two years. The Australian experience has been that occasionally you get a new incoming Federal government does an "overhaul' of the system with great confusion and leading to difficulty finding immigration staff who can tell you what the new rules are.... at least in the short term. And there have been many unscrupulous agents eager to "help" applicants. There was a recent report of a Chinese "agent" in Australia offering visas and work permits guaranteed but after money was paid there was no service. There are -plenty of sharks in this world.

While my wife found the processes stressful at least we got through without employing agents or paying "facilitation" fees to Immigration officers.
 
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We picked up the passport today with the 5 year Kitap. Yipee and so on. And then at home found the multi entry stamp is just for two years. Is this usual? Why not the same period as the Kitap?
Congrats on the Kitap harryopal. Quick question for you - did your wife have a Bali address KTP and KK when you applied? Cheers.
 

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