Greenpeace Rainbow Warrior in Jakarta!

[Balifrog]

yes, that was a nasty terrorist murder c- and the guilty state released the killers as soon as they could.
A disgusting incident.

A bit harsh and not appropriate on here, but if it makes you feel better.....
Facts are contradicting you, if you take the time to read what happened. Things were done to avoid any loss of live, but seems somebody tried to be brave.....

 

[Davita]

A bit harsh and not appropriate on here, but if it makes you feel better.....
Facts are contradicting you, if you take the time to read what happened. Things were done to avoid any loss of live, but seems somebody tried to be brave.....

According to Wiki.....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Pereira

"Fernando Pereira (10 May 1950 – 10 July 1985) was a freelance Dutch photographer, of Portuguese origin, who drowned when French intelligence (DGSE) detonated a bomb and sank the Rainbow Warrior, owned by the environmental organisation Greenpeace on 10 July 1985.

The bombing of the boat had been designed to make the ship unsalvageable. The first smaller bomb bent the propeller shaft, making repair uneconomic. Pereira stayed inside the boat to get his camera and other pieces of equipment. The second, more powerful explosion, designed to sink the boat, caused a huge inrush of seawater that drowned Pereira."

 

[Fred]

A bit harsh and not appropriate on here, but if it makes you feel better.....
Facts are contradicting you, if you take the time to read what happened. Things were done to avoid any loss of live, but seems somebody tried to be brave.....

Crap
Two French agents planted a bomb and murdered a man.
Stuff, harsh on the murderers, they killed an unarmed man.
Pity they weren't put to death as all terrorists should be.

 

[Fred]

A bit harsh and not appropriate on here, but if it makes you feel better.....
Facts are contradicting you, if you take the time to read what happened. Things were done to avoid any loss of live, but seems somebody tried to be brave.....

So why are you excusing terrorists?
What's next, an ISIS T shirt?

 

[William King]

A bit harsh and not appropriate on here, but if it makes you feel better.....
Facts are contradicting you, if you take the time to read what happened. Things were done to avoid any loss of live, but seems somebody tried to be brave.....

foolhardy more like. today it would be for a selfie.

While the ship was initially evacuated, some of the crew returned to the ship to investigate and film the damage. A Portuguese-Dutch photographer, Fernando Pereira, returned below decks to fetch his camera equipment.

 

[El_Goretto]

So why are you excusing terrorists?
What's next, an ISIS T shirt?

Come on... While I'm not excusing the actions of the French government at the time, it's quite a leap to equate these soldiers acting on order with ISIS and even more of a leap, if not completely ridiculous, to accuse Balifrog of being an ISIS supporter.

By your own definition, any governmental armed force that generates collateral casualties during their operations should be qualified as terrorists.

What the French government did sucked, it was a big drama between NZ and France, they jailed their soldiers to appease NZ but obviously as little as possible since they were simply carrying our their orders. Anyway, water under the bridge now.

 

[Fred]

A bit harsh and not appropriate on here, but if it makes you feel better.....
Facts are contradicting you, if you take the time to read what happened. Things were done to avoid any loss of live, but seems somebody tried to be brave.....

Just read it again - definitely excusing terrorists.

 

[Davita]

I think Balifrog did offend by his post/remark in post #21 and owes an apology....at least to the family of Fernando Pereira.

Although I don't agree with Fred's rhetoric he does have a point. We should never forget what actually happened and say "water under the bridge'..... that's crap!!!! That's like saying the holocaust/WW2 was a long time ago and we should move on....easy for those who have grown up with peace and smartphones but it should be remembered why there is peace and smartphones.
Given no intervention all French would be ' Deutsche sprechen ' by now.

A careful analysis of what actually happened, contrary to Balifrog's 'non-referenced contradiction statement', will indicate that it was a French State-sponsored terrorism intended to tell the world...don't "F" with us. It failed, and an innocent person was murdered.... and that's why the French should be remorseful.
Even the French soldier who planted the bomb has been remorseful.....https://www.theguardian.com/environ...greenpeace-ship-apologises-for-lethal-bombing

 

[dafluff]

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[El_Goretto]

Given no intervention all French would be ' Deutsche sprechen ' by now.

Oh please. That's the cheap shot against French I hate the most. First, without intervention, maybe you would also be speaking German*.

And 2nd, without French intervention, the Americans might still be serving the Queen. We could go on like this...

and that's why the French should be remorseful.

Absolutely, and they were. But let's not pretend for a second that other nations such as the USA or the UK do not partake in similar activities, even today.

Oh and one more thing, I don't think you have any right to ask a forum member to apologize.

*I was under the impression you were British but my memory fails me, sorry if I got it wrong.

 

[Davita]

1. Oh please. That's the cheap shot against French I hate the most. First, without intervention, maybe you would also be speaking German*.

And 2nd, without French intervention, the Americans might still be serving the Queen. We could go on like this...



3. Absolutely, and they were. But let's not pretend for a second that other nations such as the USA or the UK do not partake in similar activities, even today.

4. Oh and one more thing, I don't think you have any right to ask a forum member to apologize.

5. *I was under the impression you were British but my memory fails me, sorry if I got it wrong.

1. Exactly...maybe I would.... and why I remember my history and how it could have been..
2. Exactly.. and why, because of that history, they rejected colonialism and fought for liberty.
3. We are simply discussing the sinking of the original Greenpeace Warrior by the French...nothing more.
4. If the person doesn't wish to think that they should...that's OK by me.
5. What has that got to do with the conversation?

 

[El_Goretto]

5. What has that got to do with the conversation?

About you speaking German without US intervention during WWII, assuming you are British. For a moment I wasn't sure if you're British or Canadian. I doubt the Germans would have made it as far out as the cold lands of Canada, not after beating they got in Russia. Thus my comment is only relevant if you are British.

 

[Davita]

About you speaking German without US intervention during WWII, assuming you are British. For a moment I wasn't sure if you're British or Canadian. I doubt the Germans would have made it as far out as the cold lands of Canada, not after beating they got in Russia. Thus my comment is only relevant if you are British.

As you seem to be very interested in my ethnicity, mon ami, I will confess to being born British. However, I come from a clan of Scottish where we hide our identity in case the Martians arrive. So we became nomads and, why we live, or immigrate/establish, to many countries like (Canada, USA, Indonesia, Hong Kong, Malaysia) to avoid being sub-titled... but still maintain some coherent knowledge/history about our surroundings, our childhood and upbringing, and the world.

Rejecting history as 'water under the bridge' is not acceptable to me..some facts needs to be remembered so the same mistakes are not repeated.

 

[Balifrog]

Woaw, created a bit of a stir...unintentionally.

No apologizes owned. Guys were doing there job, there was a fuck up, it happens.
Do the US put.on trial all bomber pilots that cause "collateral damage" ?
I have to say I am VERY disapointed by some reactions here.
And before you ask, yes I am ex military.

 

[Davita]

Woaw, created a bit of a stir...unintentionally.

No apologizes owned. Guys were doing there job, there was a fuck up, it happens.
Do the US put.on trial all bomber pilots that cause "collateral damage" ?
I have to say I am VERY disapointed by some reactions here.
And before you ask, yes I am ex military.

I note you are ex-military, as am I (22 years), so presume you were instructed on the aspects of military rules of engagement and the Geneva Convention.
Collateral damage from targeted bombing during times of conflict or war come under those Conventions.
Soldiers, dressed as civilians, visiting a country as tourists, armed with limpet mines and then blowing up a ship in a harbor, without any warning, and killing a crew member...... do not!

The Prime Minister of New Zealand declared it "State-sponsored terrorism" and the French Gov't tacitly agreed and compensated all those affected.

 

[Minuteman]

All this slugging back and forth...and the irony, it is about Greenpeace. What a waste of time.

 

[waarmstrong]

About you speaking German without US intervention during WWII, assuming you are British. For a moment I wasn't sure if you're British or Canadian. I doubt the Germans would have made it as far out as the cold lands of Canada, not after beating they got in Russia. Thus my comment is only relevant if you are British.

Your comment is not relevant in any sense.

 

[El_Goretto]

Your comment is not relevant in any sense.

Care to elaborate?

 

[waarmstrong]

Seems pretty obvious to me, that you are so far afield as to be well into the irrelevance zone. Beyond inflammatory, my friend, the line adds nothing new to the conversation, and is speculative in its underlying premise, as well. So no, I do not care to elaborate.

 

[William King]

Jaysus warmie, it was a reply in kind to the nonsense being peddled.