Electric Motor Scooters - Are they the future trend?

I may be confusing the technology but I recall over 50 years ago a fellow in Melbourne modified a conventional sedan to use a hydrogen powered engine. He could also drive it remotely but the big problem was storage for the amount of water needed and he had storage in the door frames and so many other places in the car that the car was very heavy. As best I can remember he never did get any government support for further development.
This is completly different. Water is the byproduct and will just turn to steam in the exhaust. No need to store any water. Things like this are what can turn an industry on it's head. The point is that there are other alternatives to electric and batteries, we aren't locked into them as being the only way forward.
 
I may be confusing the technology but I recall over 50 years ago a fellow in Melbourne modified a conventional sedan to use a hydrogen powered engine. He could also drive it remotely but the big problem was storage for the amount of water needed and he had storage in the door frames and so many other places in the car that the car was very heavy. As best I can remember he never did get any government support for further development.
Water itself is not a fuel, hydrogen is an energy carrier and can be used as fuel.. To use water to power the engines, it must first be split into hydrogen (H2) and oxygen (O2.). This itself will need energy input. So energy is still needed to break the bonds between hydrogen and oxygen in water, often through electrolysis, which has an energy cost. Alternatively is to heat the water and to turn it into steam. Again this still needs an energy input.

Although the technology to split into hydrogen (H2) and oxygen (O2.) has been known for decades, it remains commercially uneconomical since other energy sources, like fossil fuels, are still far more affordable. Although some commercial progress in some areas like buses etc, their widespread use is still limited due to its cost.
 
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To make it a bit more clear in layman’s terms:

To create hydrogen, you need a huge amount of energy.

Considerations:
  • If that energy comes from coal or gas or oil burning power stations, it is not ‘green’ hydrogen.
  • It is rather expensive to create.
  • Storing and transporting it is not risk-free with a lot of pressure and storage requires a lot of safety measures.
  • Hydrogen can be used instead of gasoline in a combustion engine but that’s very inefficient (BMW and Toyota tried it). The alternative is fuel cell (FCEV) which is also an electric vehicle.
 
Recently, I've been looking at buying a "motor bebek" for something like 7 million. My company currently pays for all of my work-related travel, and has said that they would reimburse me the same amount if I had my own vehicle. I figure the motorbike will be paid for in less than a year just off the reimbursement from my office.
The price for used electric scooters doesn't seem to be in the same range. Add to that my lack of knowledge about electric motors and batteries, and I don't feel confident in the purchase. Even saving on the cost of fuel, it would take me years to recoup the difference in sticker price for a new bike (the discussion here inspired me to look and they seem to start at about 17 million for the one recommended here). I am interested, I just don't have the discretionary budget necessary to join this trend on the front end.

Perhaps in five more years, when buying a second-hand electric bike is a bit more mainstream and I have a techy/mechanic friend who can lend me some confidence, I can join the green revolution.
 
Recently, I've been looking at buying a "motor bebek" for something like 7 million. My company currently pays for all of my work-related travel, and has said that they would reimburse me the same amount if I had my own vehicle. I figure the motorbike will be paid for in less than a year just off the reimbursement from my office.
The price for used electric scooters doesn't seem to be in the same range

Already quite some 2nd hand supply in that price range…


But like with everything, you just need to do some homework and read reviews etc.
 
I was disappointed with Selis and give away to my bil. Seem he has not much complain other the specified range cant be met, but his office is less than 20km, so not really big problems. He uses almost every day though he has a car.
 
I bought one (thanks to the OP)
It's a pedal bike but looks like a real motorbike so there's no plates, tax, license, or whatever else.
It can do about 45 top speed with a following wind and it seems to go about 50km on a charge. I use it for trips to the shops and things like that. It's not great at anything, but it's good at what I want it for.
As for saving the planet, not a thought for me. I bought it for easy transport that saved my legs. It takes a few hours to charge from home and seems to cost almost nothing to top it up. It's contribution to climate change is a lot less than my air conditioner.
 
Does no-one know the difference between "it's" and "its" around here? Or is it just autocorrect?

Should be "Its contribution", not "it's contribution".
 
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Does no-one know the difference between it's and its around here? Or is it just autocorrect?
"It's around here" is an abbreviation of "it is."
The dog is in its kennel" refers to the dog posessing the kennel.
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I'm not a grammar Nazi but I saw exactly the same mistake on three different posts from three different posters in three different threads one after the other. So it made me think, do people not actually understand the difference between it's and its?
I also noted that if you have autocorrect then it automatically changes both versions to it's, so that might be the explanation.
 
I'm not a grammar Nazi but I saw exactly the same mistake on three different posts from three different posters in three different threads one after the other. So it made me think, do people not actually understand the difference between it's and its?
I also noted that if you have autocorrect then it automatically changes both versions to it's, so that might be the explanation.
Typos are very much like shit, they happen. The big question is all about how much they matter on an internet forum.
 
Typos are very much like shit, they happen. The big question is all about how much they matter on an internet forum.
They matter on a cultural level.
I have been strict with my kids about using proper French / English even when on Whatsapp or Line.

I will never be upset if somebody corrects me on a grammatical error.
In fact, I learn....


The difference between "its" and "it's" is that "its" is a possessive word, while "it's" is a contraction:

Its: A possessive word that means "belonging to it". For example, "The dog chased its tail".

It's: A contraction of "it is" or "it has". For example, "It's raining".

Here are some more examples of "its" and "it's" in a sentence:

Its: "The diary was concealed in its hiding place".It's: "It's unfair to assume she's bad at cooking".
 
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Typos are pretty much unimportant on a forum.

Watching his video "Grammar Nazis" I had the cc on for subtitles and was delighted that when the SS bloke asks about Jews, the subtitle says, "... there haven't been any juice. No juice here." And if you were writing a list would you not put a karma before the end?"
 
Watching his video "Grammar Nazis" I had the cc on for subtitles and was delighted that when the SS bloke asks about Jews, the subtitle says, "... there haven't been any juice. No juice here." And if you were writing a list would you not put a karma before the end?"
Ah, a vocabulary Nazi :ROFLMAO:
 
On topic, I noticed a company called Betavolt has started making atomic batteries. The article said they were very low power but worked for 50 years without a charge.
It strikes me everything like this starts small but scales up over time ... or dies a death and is never heard from again.
A UK company has made a super-fast charging battery.
I see two big problems with battery power - range against charging time, and the cost.
I can buy a small Ayla for a little over a hundred million and 'recharge' in a few minutes. That gives me an effective unlimited range as far as practical use of the car goes.
An EV of about the same size starts at 400 million and takes hours to charge.
People who regularly travel long distances save money on fuel costs, but they are limited on range per day.
People who do short hops don't worry about the range, but the fuel cost savings EVs offer are wiped out by the initial cost of buying an EV.

At the end of the day, the things are a bad buy for most people.
The only EVs worth buying at the moment are small bikes like the unit I have. They are cheap to buy, cheap to charge, and work perfectly for short runs around town.
When we can say the same about EV cars, we will have something the masses will buy.

Yesterday saw a hailstorm in Depok when it should have been 30 degrees and maybe raining. Climate change appears to be a real thing but, even if you don't believe in it, cleaner city air and less noise are desirable goals.
If the world can shift to renewable energy, that takes care of the problem of the 'moving the pollution' argument.
 
In the news Jakarta Post today ...

Rows of robotic arms move with precision to assemble nickel-based battery cells on the production line at Indonesia's inaugural electric vehicle battery plant, the first in Southeast Asia. After being chosen by a joint venture of South Korea's Hyundai and LG for the $1.1 billion factory, Indonesia is now looking to boost investment to give it an edge in the race to become a regional EV hub. When he opened the West Java plant in July then-president Joko "Jokowi" Widodo said such investments would make Indonesia an "important global player" in the EV supply chain.

But while the country boasts the world's largest nickel reserves, analysts pointed out that it still faces a battle owing to its poor processing and refining capacity, environmental worries and the rise in other types of batteries.
It also has some way to go to rival Thailand, which Krungsri bank said had market share of 78.7 percent of Southeast Asia's EV sales as of early 2023, with Indonesia following with eight percent.

The government has unveiled a number of incentives to boost the EV market, including a luxury goods tax exemption that has boosted sales and seen a flurry of key brands entering Indonesia's 280 million-strong market, including China's BYD and Vietnam's VinFast. More than 23,000 battery-powered cars were sold to dealers between January and August this year, compared with 17,000 in all of 2023, Indonesian automotive association data showed.

While Indonesia is number one for nickel reserves, it will be importing materials for the new factory including processed nickel from South Korea and China owing to its lack of related industries, said Hong Woo-pyoung, president director of the joint venture, PT HLI Green Power.


Ya Allah!
 
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