DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

So we have vaccines that are 95% effective, but nevertheless still need a "booster" ? Isn't there a contradiction ?
Concerning how long the vaccine will be effective, nobody has a clue as the phase 3 trials (which usually takes over a year, sometimes 2) have never been done, the product being rushed out for "emergency use only" .
We will have the answer somwhere late 2022 I guess ?
 
MMR vac needs boosters. Polio vac needs boosters, Malaria vac is good for 6 months, annual flu vac is adjusted for varients every year, Typhoid vac is 3 years and then a booster, thyphus vac is 10 years, and you are trying to say boosters mean something is wrong but more than likely you or those close to you have all had boosters of some kind. Your argument holds no water.
 
MMR vac needs boosters. Polio vac needs boosters, Malaria vac is good for 6 months, annual flu vac is adjusted for varients every year, Typhoid vac is 3 years and then a booster, thyphus vac is 10 years, and you are trying to say boosters mean something is wrong but more than likely you or those close to you have all had boosters of some kind. Your argument holds no water.
It seems that pasting links and being a self proclaimed Covid expert on sosmed is more important than doing basic leg works in these days and age.
In the meantime, another of my near neighbor relatives has passed away yesterday. RIP. She didn't have the time nor the luxury to wonder if being vaccinated or not was a good thing.
 
It seems that pasting links and being a self proclaimed Covid expert on sosmed is more important than doing basic leg works in these days and age.
In the meantime, another of my near neighbor relatives has passed away yesterday. RIP. She didn't have the time nor the luxury to wonder if being vaccinated or not was a good thing.
People I have talked to are saying people are dropping like flies here in their homes. Never reported as covid. My SIL has all the symptoms but her son that supposed to oversee her welfare will not take her to a hospital because if admitted they can not visit. Won't take her to a doctor because aftaid they will send to a hospital and she would want to go. Won't even have her tested because afraid someone is going to show up and force her into a hospital if positive. Successful business people with Kampung mentality. Seems to apply to some foreigners too.
 
MMR vac needs boosters. Polio vac needs boosters, Malaria vac is good for 6 months, annual flu vac is adjusted for varients every year, Typhoid vac is 3 years and then a booster, thyphus vac is 10 years, and you are trying to say boosters mean something is wrong but more than likely you or those close to you have all had boosters of some kind. Your argument holds no water.
Yep, but they were not sold to us by mass media, governments, SOME scientifics as being the miracle cure ! !

You want a few other notes ? Not mine, all picked up on a major financial website, in the comment section when analyzing Biotech, Big Pharma, or political Covid situation. It's a US site, and the vast majority of posters are US.

Ready ?
- We all have heard this many times "Trust the Science". As a career Scientist, I completely agree with that. But, (and this is a huge but)..
Simply because a pundit, politician, celebrity health official or scientist says something, popular or unpopular, and refers to "Science" does not make it Science-based. Science is a process that takes place when a hypothesis is proven or disproven by carefully controlled, carefully recorded experimentation. The results of these experiments are compared to a control group (of groups) and conclusions are drawn. The results are then Peer reviewed and discussed. This last part takes years and not everyone will agree with the consensus. Then, and only then, can we say that the science supports a conclusion. Everything else is just conversation. Bases on this process, we can ask hypothetical questions, and provide the current, science-based status:
Do masks curtail the transmission of Covid-19? - We don't know. (show me a study)
Do unvaccinated people put vaccinated people at risk? - We don't know. (Show me a study)
Is Covid-19 worse than the Spanish flu? - We don't know.
Does 6-ft social distancing lessen Covid-19 transmission? - We don't know.
Do our vaccines help to eliminate Covid infection? - Preliminarily, Yes. But compared to standard drug development protocols of the last 60 years, these vaccines were really rushed, with shortcuts everywhere.
Do vaccines have unanticipated, LONG TERM AEs? - We don't know.
Anyway, you get the idea.
Now, I am not against vaccines. On the contrary, I myself had two injections of one. What I am against is evoking the good name of Science to justify a political, social position or course of action. If we want to do something as a society because it seems like a good idea to the majority, then fine, lets wear masks. It just seems to me that there are a lot of pseudo-scientific claims out there and few real Science-based conclusions
  • The vaccines are so effective, vaccinated people are put at risk just by the existence of unvaccinated people. Wow.
  • you have to wonder why only 50% of healthcare workers are vaccinated. you would think people who see covid deaths every 10 minutes would immediately take the vaccine...unless....
  • I was just thinking the same thing. Also, if "COVID" deaths are running rampant through all our hospitals, why have over half of healthcare workers refused the vaccine? Seems like they would be ones most terrified. Whats up with that?

Bloody all conspirationist ...😁😁😁
 
Also, if "COVID" deaths are running rampant through all our hospitals, why have over half of healthcare workers refused the vaccine? Seems like they would be ones most terrified. Whats up with that?

I'm going to have you cite this statistic, please.

This is certainly not the case in France:
France’s public health agency estimated that 72.2% of doctors had received a first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, compared to 58.7% of nurses and 50% of assistant nurses. The discrepancy predates the pandemic: according to health authorities, 72.2% of doctors received a vaccine against the flu in the winter of 2018, while only 20.9% of assistant nurses did.


Nor the US:
1. Nine hospital network respondents reported that their fully vaccinated rates ranged from 53 percent to 72 percent.

2. Fifteen of the public hospital respondents reported rates that ranged from 51 percent to 91 percent.


And certainly not in Indonesia:

Sementara untuk pemberian dosis dua masih 96,97 persen atau 1.424.295 nakes yang sudah divaksin.

 
I'm going to have you cite this statistic, please.

This is certainly not the case in France:



Nor the US:



And certainly not in Indonesia:



Wait, wait, only 60 % of nurses and 50% of assistants taking the vaccine seems ok to you ?
Ok, now it has certainly gone up since Macron has instaured a dictatorship regime and threaten them with sacking them.

US 50 to 70% only vaccinated ?

This is a bit like saying that only 50 to 70 % of professional truckdrivers wear their safety belt, the remaining are not trusting it, and that's normal.

You would expect close to 100% of the frontline nurses being vaccinate.
And what about the care houses for elders ?

Concerning Indonesia, who knows what the numbers are worth ?
But they are probably higher than in the West, for various "cultural" reasons.
 
I'm just going to leave this here. It's going to be fun hearing from the people who still refuse to wear masks and sanitize their hands between washes:

 
Wait, wait, only 60 % of nurses and 50% of assistants taking the vaccine seems ok to you ?
Ok, now it has certainly gone up since Macron has instaured a dictatorship regime and threaten them with sacking them.

US 50 to 70% only vaccinated ?

This is a bit like saying that only 50 to 70 % of professional truckdrivers wear their safety belt, the remaining are not trusting it, and that's normal.

You would expect close to 100% of the frontline nurses being vaccinate.
And what about the care houses for elders ?

Concerning Indonesia, who knows what the numbers are worth ?
But they are probably higher than in the West, for various "cultural" reasons.

I didn't say anything about the percentages. I asked you to provide your sources. This is not a discussion.

To repeat, you said, "over half of healthcare workers refused the vaccine". Please show your source.
 
I didn't say anything about the percentages. I asked you to provide your sources. This is not a discussion.

To repeat, you said, "over half of healthcare workers refused the vaccine". Please show your source.
FFS, read my post again !

"You want a few other notes ? Not mine, all picked up on a major financial website,
in the comment section when analyzing Biotech, Big Pharma, or political Covid situation. It's a US site, and the vast majority of posters are US."

And feck the "this is not a discussion" arrogance !
 
FFS, read my post again !

"You want a few other notes ? Not mine, all picked up on a major financial website, in the comment section when analyzing Biotech, Big Pharma, or political Covid situation. It's a US site, and the vast majority of posters are US."

And feck the "this is not a discussion" arrogance !

Don't you take responsibility for what you post here? If you don't, then don't post.

You can't just copy paste some random garbage off the internet and hide behind the fact that you're not the one who wrote it.

So what the hell are we supposed to do with that exactly?! Absolutely waste of forum bandwidth and space with more and more of your garbage.
 
So what the hell are we supposed to do with that exactly?
To comment on it, being it agreing or disagreing but in a balanced, constructed argumentation.
Calling "trash" everything that does not match YOUR point of view, is not really a balanced, well constructed argumentation...
 
And feck the "this is not a discussion" arrogance !

This is not a discussion, because the percentage of health workers vaccinated is not an opinion. It is something you can look up and cite.

If you don't have a source, then your statement that "half of healthcare workers refused the vaccine", is either made up by you or worse, you knew it to be untrue but wrote it anyway (aka, lying). Which one is it? And "someone on the internet" is not a source.

Finally, as has been stated multiple times, the moderators of this board take a very dim view of using this forum as a platform for misinformation.
 
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FFS, read my post again !

"You want a few other notes ? Not mine, all picked up on a major financial website, in the comment section when analyzing Biotech, Big Pharma, or political Covid situation. It's a US site, and the vast majority of posters are US."

And feck the "this is not a discussion" arrogance !
This is a friendly advise, Balifrog. It is urgent that you modify the tone of your posts when you answer others. I am tired to hear/read "idiotic post", "idiotic answer" and an insulting tone when someone disagree with you or simply ask you to quote the source of your figures, which is the very minimum when throwing figures in a discussion.
 

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