DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

[Balifrog]

Bali Authorities Close Down Local Grocery Shop For Not Following Health Protocols

Tabanan COVID-19 Task Handling Force shut down a local grocery shop for failing to adhere to health and safety protocols.

thebalisun.com

Well, well, from some.previous posts on here I tought it were only dirty, stupid, disrespectfull, inconscious, selfish foreigners that wore no masks ?

Note also the fair play of Bali Sun, illustrating an negative article on locals with a picture of a foreigner being reprimanded by the police ....

What a load of bollocks all this masker drama in Bali......

Of course there are stupid people who will argue with the cops or Pecalan when reprimanded about the mask, but they are a minority. The same who would create a drama when drunk. It's easy to gently pull your mask up, smile and say hello...

 

[Dave70]

Oxford-AstraZeneca: EU says 'no indication' vaccine linked to clots

The EU's medicines regulator reassures states after several countries suspended use of the vaccine.

www.bbc.com

New study warns Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines could be far less effective against South Africa variant

Researchers found a decline in neutralizing activity against B.1.351.

thehill.com

 

[harryopal1]

Oxford-AstraZeneca: EU says 'no indication' vaccine linked to clots

The EU's medicines regulator reassures states after several countries suspended use of the vaccine.

www.bbc.com

New study warns Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines could be far less effective against South Africa variant

Researchers found a decline in neutralizing activity against B.1.351.

thehill.com

Ahh yes. What a wonderfully confused, hyper agitated state in which the world finds itself. 40 or more years ago I attended an international symposium on influenza viruses and learned that they can replicate the symptoms of almost every illness known to man and they constantly mutate. I never lined up for anti influenza vaccinations figuring that by the time a vaccine was produced there would be another mutation for which the latest vaccine would probably not be terrifically effective.

It may not be intellectually robust, but one of the great pleasures in life is finding your prejudices confirmed. So, thank you, Dave.

 

[nd_eric_77]

Oxford-AstraZeneca: EU says 'no indication' vaccine linked to clots

The EU's medicines regulator reassures states after several countries suspended use of the vaccine.

www.bbc.com

New study warns Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines could be far less effective against South Africa variant

Researchers found a decline in neutralizing activity against B.1.351.

thehill.com

I know this is purely anecdotal, but I have family members who have had the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines without any problems. Hopefully, they will be immune after the second shots. As for vaccines here in Indonesia, I will take whatever I can get, as long it allows me to travel internationally.

 

[Dave70]

Ahh yes. What a wonderfully confused, hyper agitated state in which the world finds itself. 40 or more years ago I attended an international symposium on influenza viruses and learned that they can replicate the symptoms of almost every illness known to man and they constantly mutate. I never lined up for anti influenza vaccinations figuring that by the time a vaccine was produced there would be another mutation for which the latest vaccine would probably not be terrifically effective.

It may not be intellectually robust, but one of the great pleasures in life is finding your prejudices confirmed. So, thank you, Dave.

You heard it first in the Expat Indo Forum

 

[Dave70]

I know this is purely anecdotal, but I have family members who have had the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines without any problems. Hopefully, they will be immune after the second shots. As for vaccines here in Indonesia, I will take whatever I can get, as long it allows me to travel internationally.

The risk of not getting the vaccine is greater, but I will prefer the inactivated-type over mRNA.

 

[Burungkecil]

I heard this week from the UK that a letter has arrived inviting me for my Covid-19 vaccination and I'm just trying to weigh up whether I should jump on a plane or wait my turn here. There are other factors involved as well and I wouldn't go home solely to get the jab.

I'm 58, so I'm not going to be included in the lansia (over 60) programme.

Back in January Indonesia said it would vaccinate foreigners on a reciprocal basis. In other words Indonesia would vaccinate nationals of countries that were vaccinating Indonesians. Not a very moral stance but at least it meant they hadn't completely forgotten us. However, no indication of when.

I heard that WNA will be able get vaccinated via the Gotong Royong scheme but that is only open to participating companies (I'm retired) and anyway I can't imagine where PT Bio Farma will purchase vaccines from and how long they will take to arrive.

On the plus side I noticed in this thread that at least one WNA in Jakarta has been vaccinated which is good to know but the vaccination programme is expected to take another year and even then there's no guarantee that we'll be included. With airlines likely to require a vaccination passport we could effectively be trapped here.
And if a new mutation appears the whole vaccination programme may even have to start again from zero.

So I'm just wondering if anybody has heard any relevant news.

 

[nd_eric_77]

I am considering flying back to the US in June and getting the J&J one-shot jab while I am there. The wild card is that I do not want to go through the Quarantine dance upon returning to Jakarta.

 

[Dave70]

Difference between inactivated and mRNA vaccine explained through an analogy;

Inactivated >>> A group of gangsters (SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19) has been terrorising your neighbourhood. You want to protect your house (your body) from these intruders, all of whom sport the same spiky hairstyle, which, you come to learn, is the trademark of this particular gang. The police finds one of the gang members, clubs him on the head, and drags him all the way into your house. You bring this unconscious intruder to your dog (your immune system), and train it to bite people with the same spiky hairstyle. The next time one of these gang members visits your house, the hope is that your dog will attack him with gusto automatically.

mRNA >>> Continuing the same analogy from above: Let's say you don't have the time to go out and find a gangster to train your dog (a.k.a your immune system). You decide to train your dog on your own. So, you get hold of the particular brand of hair wax that these gangsters use, and learn how to style your hair in the same way. You then (carefully) train your dog to attack you, and in the process, learn to attack people with spiky hair — all without bringing any gangster into your house. Hopefully the dog will attack the next gangster who visits your house.

Covid-19 vaccines: Difference between Pfizer & Sinovac, explained

MS Explains: Countries around the world are racing to get their hands on Covid-19 vaccines. How do they work and how safe are they? We find out.

mothership.sg

 

[Vulgarian]

It's OK not to read primary sources about Covid-19. They're written by niche scientists for niche scientists.

Secondary sources are about our speed, where scientists explain data to laypeople like us.

Tertiary sources are where journalists with no science background try to get things across to us, but often miss things out or get them wrong.

I have no idea what the Mothership article is trying to say with that analogy. Should I be more worried about training my dog to bite me, or about bringing a gangster into my house? Some context or numbers would be helpful, but we're not given any. Who's come up with the analogy in the first place?

 

[Helpful Herbert]

AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is ‘haram’, but permissible due to urgent situation: Indonesia Islamic body

JAKARTA: Indonesia’s most influential Islamic organisation said AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine is “haram” or forbidden for Muslims, but its use can be temporarily permitted due to a lack of alternatives.The Indonesian Council of Ulema or MUI said it has conducted studies on the vacci

www.channelnewsasia.com

So the Astra Zeneca is haram. Another blow to Indonesia's very poor vaccine roll-out. Even though they stay it is still permissible, I'm sure most will choose not to take it.

 

[dafluff]

AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine is ‘haram’, but permissible due to urgent situation: Indonesia Islamic body

JAKARTA: Indonesia’s most influential Islamic organisation said AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine is “haram” or forbidden for Muslims, but its use can be temporarily permitted due to a lack of alternatives.The Indonesian Council of Ulema or MUI said it has conducted studies on the vacci

www.channelnewsasia.com

So the Astra Zeneca is haram. Another blow to Indonesia's very poor vaccine roll-out. Even though they stay it is still permissible, I'm sure most will choose not to take it.

Good, send the good stuff to Bali.

 

[Bad_azz]

Good, send the good stuff to Bali.

I am really disappointed in that nasty & snide comment coming from you Dafluff.
I thought you were better than that.

 

[Balifrog]

I am really disappointed in that nasty & snide comment coming from you Dafluff.
I thought you were better than that.

Well, obviously you are in minority as 3 other B.M. (included me) found this funny and gave it thumbs up.

"Nasty and snide" ? I would rather use those words for YOUR post ....

Cheers !

 

[fastpitch17]

I would take the Astra Zeneca Vac. I look at it as 40 people developed blood clots and died. 40 out of 17,000,000 administered. They have not shown that the vaccine was the cause yet so ask yourself, how many of the 17 million died of heart attacks? Were diagnosed with cancer or another disease? People do develop and die of other causes all the time but some only want to key on one thing.

 

[dafluff]

I am really disappointed in that nasty & snide comment coming from you Dafluff.
I thought you were better than that.

Sorry if my suggestion that if a group of people refuses a certain type of vaccination due to religious reasons to send it to an area where people are not of that religion and have no such hang-ups offended you. Surely this is better than letting the vaccines go to waste.

 

[Bad_azz]

Sorry if my suggestion that if a group of people refuses a certain type of vaccination due to religious reasons to send it to an area where people are not of that religion and have no such hang-ups offended you. Surely this is better than letting the vaccines go to waste.

You are assuming everyone is of the same opinion as that particular group. You should know better really, much as you are implying there are no muslims in Bali, c'mon.

 

[R Cameron]

Wikipedia tells me Jawa Barat is 97% Muslim. If 97% of a population is going to refuse a vaccine in high demand, should it be shipped there? Especially when there are acceptable alternative vaccines? Does it not make sense to ship it to Bali where 87% are non-Muslim and will gladly take the life-saving vaccine?

 

[harryopal1]

China's first Covid case since February is with a man who had twice been vaccinated with an unspecified vaccine.

China's first local Covid case since February had been vaccinated – state media

The hospital worker had received two doses of an unspecified vaccine, report says, as much of France re-enters lockdown

www.theguardian.com

 

[R Cameron]

China's first Covid case since February is with a man who had twice been vaccinated with an unspecified vaccine.

China's first local Covid case since February had been vaccinated – state media

The hospital worker had received two doses of an unspecified vaccine, report says, as much of France re-enters lockdown

www.theguardian.com

It doesn't say if he has symptoms, and if so how severe. The vaccines reduce, but do not eliminate, the possibility of becoming infected enough to test positive, greatly reduce the severity of symptoms and hospitalizations, and practically eliminate a fatal outcome. So without more information, that article does not offer any particular insight.