DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

[dafluff]

That website claims that 6,663 tests have been performed. Does someone know if this is the official number of the government or how is this number derived?

https://infeksiemerging.kemkes.go.id/

That's the official count from MoH. This counts only the swab PCR tests, not the rapid tests.

 

[dafluff]

I want to say a good thing about Indonesia's response to Covid-19: At least they're not Turkmenistan.

Turkmenistan Has Banned Use Of The Word 'Coronavirus'

Reporters Without Borders says the government has forbidden state-controlled media from using the word and ordered its removal from health brochures distributed at hospitals, schools and workplaces.

www.npr.org

 

[Vanhelsing]

I see wet markets are reopening in China which I'm conflicted about. I understand people need to eat, but I would have liked to see the Chinese government at least try to implement some controls rather than allowing things return to how they have always been - as if nothing has happened.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

I see wet markets are reopening in China which I'm conflicted about. I understand people need to eat, but I would have liked to see the Chinese government at least try to implement some controls rather than allowing things return to how they have always been - as if nothing has happened.

How long until Trump classifies that as an act of war?

 

[dafluff]

300 of 1550 police academy cadets in Sukabumi, West Java, tested positive. That's more than the "official number" for all of West Java.

I would not be surprised in the least if the actual number in Indonesia is 50-100k right now.

Rapid Test, 300 Siswa Setukpa Polri Sukabumi Positif Covid-19

Dari 1.550 siswa Setukpa Lemdikpol Sukabumi yang mengikuti rapid test, sebanyak 300 dinyatakan positif Covid-19. Mereka pun diisolasi 14 hari sebelum tes swab.

www.cnnindonesia.com

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Since the death rate from this virus looks like being around 0.5%-1% once all the hidden infections are accounted for, my guess for Indonesia currently is 157 announced deaths, so probably 1000 deaths considering most would not be discovered or counted, meaning around 100k-200k infections currently in the country. There is no vaccine coming this year and even if it did, most Indonesians wouldn't get it. Lockdowns won't work very well here.

I'm trying to think of how an infection count of 100m, with death count of 1-2m in Indonesia will be avoided. I'm not sure I can see anything on the horizon. OK there aren't that many very elderly, but then 67% smoking rate and generally poor health. The hot season may slow transmission a bit, but that's about it ... It starts to look like the worst case scenario is coming.

 

[centurion]

Since the death rate from this virus looks like being around 0.5%-1% once all the hidden infections are accounted for, my guess for Indonesia currently is 157 announced deaths, so probably 1000 deaths considering most would not be discovered or counted, meaning around 100k-200k infections currently in the country. There is no vaccine coming this year and even if it did, most Indonesians wouldn't get it. Lockdowns won't work very well here.

I'm trying to think of how an infection count of 100m, with death count of 1-2m in Indonesia will be avoided. I'm not sure I can see anything on the horizon. OK there aren't that many very elderly, but then 67% smoking rate and generally poor health. The hot season may slow transmission a bit, but that's about it ... It starts to look like the worst case scenario is coming.

0,5%-1% dead gives 100-200.000 infected 1-2 weeks ago. It takes 2 weeks for somebody to die. If spreading actor is 1,5 on hot weather, should be 3 times more now.

However, social distancing +high UV will maybe give some result.

With so many infected now, people are not dying fast enough.

 

[Dave70]

I see wet markets are reopening in China which I'm conflicted about. I understand people need to eat, but I would have liked to see the Chinese government at least try to implement some controls rather than allowing things return to how they have always been - as if nothing has happened.

Published in The Lancet, a peer-reviewed medical journal on 24th January, analysis of early cases has found that the first patient to get sick did not have any contact with the wet market. Experts are still trying to trace the outbreak back to its source.

https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0140-6736%2820%2930183-5

 

[Dave70]

How long until Trump classifies that as an act of war?

Trump is what we call in Indonesia "maling teriak maling" type of person.

 

[nd_eric_77]

Trump is what we call in Indonesia "maling teriak maling" type of person.

aka: "Pot calling the kettle black"

 

[dafluff]

0,5%-1% dead gives 100-200.000 infected 1-2 weeks ago. It takes 2 weeks for somebody to die. If spreading actor is 1,5 on hot weather, should be 3 times more now.

However, social distancing +high UV will maybe give some result.

With so many infected now, people are not dying fast enough.

I'm still holding out hope that humidity/heat/UV is reducing transmission rate considerably. At least in areas that are not closed off like offices, large public transports, religious ceremonies, etc. While Covid-19 deaths are definitely under-reported I don't think we are at 10,000 dead yet, as I feel this would be impossible to hide.

 

[nd_eric_77]

Immigration Information for Expats. According to Indonesia Immigration office decision that start on this night all expatriate KITAS&non KITAS holders who are in Indonesia currently, are not allowed to leave Indonesia. Because if they leave Indonesia, there will be no possibility to enter Indonesia until this Covid-19 pandemic declared over.

I just received the above message from my employer this morning.

 

[centurion]

The employer is speaking BS. You are allowed to leave and if is possible, but it is hard or almost impossible to come back.

If you leave Indonesia you are allowed to come back trough a country free of coronavirus. Theoretically not many countries like that, or almost none.

 

[Dave70]

I'm still holding out hope that humidity/heat/UV is reducing transmission rate considerably. At least in areas that are not closed off like offices, large public transports, religious ceremonies, etc. While Covid-19 deaths are definitely under-reported I don't think we are at 10,000 dead yet, as I feel this would be impossible to hide.

There are already reports of the dead being refused burial in cemetery as locals are afraid the virus may find its way out from six feet under the ground. The MUI must act fast to issue fatwa allowing cremations for Muslims, otherwise, there will be big problems soon.

 

[dafluff]

If you ever wondered about how "serious" this government is taking the pandemic, here is a data point:

An Indonesian citizen and his company in Singapore has developed a rapid test. His company is selling it at cost (approx Rp 160,000/test). The test is approved in the EU, India, and USA.

Should be a no brainer, not just for the public relation factor, yet in Indonesia, it is stuck in approval red tape for over 4 weeks now.

Diaspora Indonesia di AS Ciptakan Rapid Test Seharga Rp 160.000

Rapid test Sensing Self telah mendapatkan lisensi internasional dari Eropa, India, dan Amerika Serikat melalui Food and Drug Administration (FDA).

www.beritasatu.com

 

[dafluff]

Here is a paper examining the use of melatonin, a freely available hormone supplement normally used to improve sleep patterns, as an adjuvant (supporting) treatment for Covid-19.

Melatonin, a well-known anti-inflammatory and anti-oxidative molecule, is protective against ALI/ARDS caused by viral and other pathogens. Melatonin is effective in critical care patients by reducing vessel permeability, anxiety, sedation use, and improving sleeping quality, which might also be beneficial for better clinical outcomes for COVID-19 patients.

COVID-19: Melatonin as a potential adjuvant treatment

This article summarizes the likely benefits of melatonin in the attenuation of COVID-19 based on its putative pathogenesis. The recent outbreak of COV…

www.sciencedirect.com

 

[harryopal1]

Trump is what we call in Indonesia "maling teriak maling" type of person.

Trump's mind set regarding propaganda is not dissimilar to that of both Fascist and Communist governments which has it that truth is whatever best serves the interests of the rulers. In Trump's case truth is whatever pops into his mind at any given moment so that yesterday's truth may not be today's truth.

 

[make_batik_great_again]

Is it true that Jakarta considers (or already began?) closing down some highways and train and bus routes?

 

[Helpful Herbert]

They want to, but need approval from the president, and the president doesn't want to approve it.

 

[fastpitch17]

Is it true that Jakarta considers (or already began?) closing down some highways and train and bus routes?

I read today that the President is going to allow Mudik. I also read he was considering moving the dates for it. Last year, over 19 million traveled. Foolish move just to appease some that have been claiming he is failing in this pandemic.