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This might help places like Indonesia (and other countries) that are facing challenges with the PCR test.
These test are already in Indonesia, saw a video about it a few days ago. Possibly part of the medical supplies picked up from China recently.

They are made in China, accuracy of 88%+, and will be used to screen out negative cases. Positive cases will be referred to further testing. I think this is the procedure that West Java will use in their drive-thru testing coming up.

 

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These test are already in Indonesia, saw a video about it a few days ago. Possibly part of the medical supplies picked up from China recently.

They are made in China, accuracy of 88%+, and will be used to screen out negative cases. Positive cases will be referred to further testing. I think this is the procedure that West Java will use in their drive-thru testing coming up.

I understand they acquired 500,000 from China. If they want to do a good job with preliminary testing, this number should be in 30 to 40 million bracket. I did see something where an Indonesian lab says they developed a blood test for it. Not sure why for once I trust the Chinese test first.

In my experience, those lab personnel who draw blood rairly wear gloves or if they do, there is no changing between patients. If you should happen to get a blood test, demand clean globes be worn. I have also seen were the needles they use are just all piled together and they pick one out when they need one. No garrantees that a used one doesn't get accidently put back with the new ones. Hospitals and medical staff here have very little knowledge of sanitation or cross contamination.
 

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These test are already in Indonesia, saw a video about it a few days ago. Possibly part of the medical supplies picked up from China recently.

They are made in China, accuracy of 88%+, and will be used to screen out negative cases. Positive cases will be referred to further testing. I think this is the procedure that West Java will use in their drive-thru testing coming up.

Interesting, this must be similar to the video you saw.

 

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A local teacher at a well-known school in Bekasi has died from what is suspected to be COVID. The timeline is listed below (with name of the school removed):
Pada hari Minggu, 22 Maret 2020 pukul 16.08 WIB Ibu MS sudah berpulang ke rumah Bapa di Surga.
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Sehubungan dengan aktivitas beliau sebagai guru menjelang dirawat di rumah sakit hingga
wafatnya, adalah sebagai berikut :
 Sabtu, 7 Maret 2020, menghadiri acara pernikahan saudaranya di Klaten.
 Senin-Jumat, 9 -13 Maret 2020, mengajar seperti biasa.
 Sabtu, 14 Maret 2020, merasa demam suhu badan 38,8 o Celcius.
 Minggu, 15 Maret 2020 pergi ke UGD salah satu Rumah Sakit (RS) di Jakarta diagnosis dokter
radang tenggorokan.
 Senin, 16 Maret 2020, tidak masuk karena masih demam.
 Selasa, 17 Maret 2020, tidak ke sekolah karena kebijakan * * Jakarta untuk melaksanakan Work From Home (WFH).
 Selasa, 17 Maret 2020, berobat ke dokter, diagnosis dokter gejala tifus.
 Kamis, 19 Maret 2020, cek darah.
 Jumat, 20 Maret 2020, ke dokter hasil tes darah menunjukkan bahwa tifus lagi dan dirujuk ke rumah sakit.
 Sabtu, 21 Maret 2020 saat dalam perawatan di tes Covid-19, hasil tes lab baru akan keluar sekitar 3-4 hari ke depan.
 Minggu, 22 Maret 2020, mengalami kritis sesak nafas dan kemudian wafat.
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Hasil tes Covid-19 saat ini belum ada...
 

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A local teacher at a well-known school in Bekasi has died from what is suspected to be COVID. The timeline is listed below (with name of the school removed):
RIP. If that turns out to be COVID-19 (and the symptoms certainly fit) there is a LOT of contact tracing to be done.
It is scary how someone goes from having respiratory distress to dying so fast.
 

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Positive news are rare lately. But in order to not losing hope, also important to show positive developments. In Germany, the number of new infections is already reducing. Too early to be sure that this is sustainable, but at least number of new infections declined for two days in a row. If this continues the next days, this might indicate that there is a way to minimize the number of infected people and being able to avoid that hospitals etc. get overwhelmed. From what I've heard not everyone behaved smart and social there, but maybe enough people did so that the situation does not get out of control like in other countries. Probably, transparency is a big factor since people get sensitive for the issue and their actions. I think, this is sth that Germany did quite well (benefiting from the knowledge about development and problems in other countries, of course).

Let's wait for the next days...but maybe there will be, after China and S.Korea, at least one more country that seems to get it under control. Due to Germany's important role in the EU, it would be a good signal, also for the other members of the EU (as well as for the world economy).
 

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Interesting, this must be similar to the video you saw.
Yes, it's an antibody blood test. Video was in Indonesian, with what I guess is an Indonesian medical professional demonstrating the test on another person (incl. taking blood sample - cringe moment: didn't wear gloves).
 

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Well, obviously several countries are rapidly looking for a cure for Covid-19, and there's some light at the end of the tunnel:

China launched on the 17th an initial clinical trial to test a vaccine against the virus. The 108 volunteers, divided into three groups, received a first injection on Friday, the English-language Chinese newspaper Global Times reports. These are volunteers between the ages of 18 and 60, all from the city of Wuhan, where the virus initiated. They are being monitored for six months.

Simultaneously the Americans announced a first test of a vaccine. It takes place in Seattle and includes 45 adults.

And Russia announced it has started testing a vaccine on animals. The first results will be announced in June.
 

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Official numbers of new infections is not increasing, today again around 60. Does someone know how many tests there have been in the past days (or in total)?
 

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University of Minnesota scrapped together a "ventilator" using off the shelf or very simple parts costing about US$150,-. Basically it is just a piston to mechanically pump a bag valve mask (manual ventilator). Not nearly as good as an actual ventilator, but hell of a lot better than dying.

Maybe something that can be made in Indonesia?

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apparently Yogya (the grocery store) is starting their social distancing policy today. 1 metre between customers in line and hand sanitiser at the entrance
 

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A teacher at the school where I used to work in West Jakarta has tested positive. He started feeling sick with a slight fever on the 11th, registered with the hospital on the 16th, and received the diagnosis of positive yesterday. I hear that he is starting to feel better.
 

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Both; we have some family members who are sniffing and coughing but it is too early to medicate.
Still, bought it all days ago, a buffer of the medication people are on, including chloroquine, coughing syrup, paracetamol, etc.
For you and anyone else that bought some, be aware chloroquine can be dangerous:

 

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Yes, you have to be careful.

There are Dutch pneumologists who state they are not even convinced it works that well, since nobody wants to put people on a placebo when they almost die of course. So the effectiveness is hard to prove.

And those specialists complain about the huge amount and dangerous side effects. Now Hydroxychloroquine is (proven to be) less toxic than chloroquine of course, but still.
 

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