DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

It is a kind of amazing to see that even in European neighboring countries, there is a difference in approach of how to tackle this.

For instance, in the UK but also in The Netherlands, they go for ‘herd immunity’ to the virus, which would involve allowing 60% of the population to become infected in the hopes of building up a long-term, society-wide resistance to the disease.

The theory is that the big majority of the people are only mildly ill, then a lot of people are immune to the disease and infections (automatically) go down.

It is a bit based on the assessment the virus will return. Now of course that controlled infection is risky, especially for the elderly part of the population.

Countries as Spain and Belgium etc. do the opposite; they take extreme measures as closing all schools, bars etc. and ban personal interaction and travel to avoid infection at all costs. That is also the model used by HK and Singapore.
 
Jokowi asks people to work from home, study from home, pray from home. Not much detail on how to achieve this, or if this will be required by law, or any details of any kind. I mean he can ask them to do this for a day or two...but after that what? It's not like most Indonesians have a work from home kind of job.

 
I am definitively shocked (and I dont use this word lightly) by some approaches regarding maids and staffs.
I am definitively surprised to see people saying they stock for 3 or 6 months, which IMHO opinion is simply ridiculous.
Most of what I have read here is simply adding to the panic and paranoia.

Of course, I dont have 20y experience in Indo, but more than 30 in SEA and seen some situations.
Living in Sanur, nothing changed till yesterday. In a remote village in East Java, south of Banyuwangi since yesterday and for 10 days for a wedding. And obviously nobody has heard about this paranoia here, thanks God.
Back to Bali in 10 days if the world hasn't stopped spinning by then !
 
Yep, nothing changed.

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Of course, I dont have 20y experience in Indo, but more than 30 in SEA and seen some situations.

Everyone needs to make their own judgments and make their own risk assessments. If you think everything is fine, than that is your assessment. But I don't think anyone has seen this situation before, and the closest we have to compare it to is what unfolded in China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, etc. And I can tell you with absolute certainty that the government here is handling it much more closely to how Iran is "handling" it, than to China, nevermind South Korea.
 
The UK approach is moronic. If they let 60% get infected, a) the hospitals won't be able to cope b) no country will accept any visitors from the UK for months.
Luckily I don't think that approach will last more than a day or two before they are forced to change it.

I could not agree more. If that is really their approach, it is irresponsible.
 
For instance, in the UK but also in The Netherlands, they go for ‘herd immunity’ to the virus, which would involve allowing 60% of the population to become infected in the hopes of building up a long-term, society-wide resistance to the disease.

If you had told me 2 months ago that China would pull out all the stops and tank its economy to save as many of their people as possible, and democratic western countries would be ok with wiping out 1-2% of their population and basically practice eugenics, I would have said you were insane.
 
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Everyone needs to make their own judgments and make their own risk assessments. If you think everything is fine, than that is your assessment. But I don't think anyone has seen this situation before, and the closest we phave to compare it to is what unfolded in China, South Korea, Italy, Iran, etc. And I can tell you with absolute certainty that the government here is handling it much more closely to how Iran is "handling" it, than to China, nevermind South Korea.

There is a problem, it is serious, but is way overhyped and dramatized by the medias. Concerning the governments of course they dont want to be seen to do less than their neighbour...
Concerning the situation here, I am under no illusion. But I am not going to lose any sleep over it neither.
Concerning some treatment of domestics and staff I read here, you don't want to know my thinking.....
No more from me on the subject.
BTW, I am 67 and even that doesn't stress me.
 
190 new cases in Malaysia today. Makes me a bit worried that the climate around here is not as much of an issue for the virus as some of us hoped.
 
The UK approach is moronic. If they let 60% get infected, a) the hospitals won't be able to cope b) no country will accept any visitors from the UK for months.
Luckily I don't think that approach will last more than a day or two before they are forced to change it.
So the UK is basically throwing a nation-wide Pox Party! Seems like the complete opposite of trying to "flatten the curve".
 
190 new cases in Malaysia today. Makes me a bit worried that the climate around here is not as much of an issue for the virus as some of us hoped.

The majority of these cases were from one religious event in KL. The same event was attended by around 600 Indonesians, which the Indonesian govt are only now starting to trace.

 
I am definitively shocked (and I dont use this word lightly) by some approaches regarding maids and staffs.
I am definitively surprised to see people saying they stock for 3 or 6 months, which IMHO opinion is simply ridiculous.
Most of what I have read here is simply adding to the panic and paranoia.

Of course, I dont have 20y experience in Indo, but more than 30 in SEA and seen some situations.
Living in Sanur, nothing changed till yesterday. In a remote village in East Java, south of Banyuwangi since yesterday for 10 days for a wedding. And obviously nobody has heard about this paranoia here, thanks God.
Back to Bali in 10 days if the world hasn't stopped spinning by then !
In France, which is a country with a fair health system, and that we both know well the spreading of the virus has accelerated in the past 72 hours. Number of cases has doubled with almost 4500 declared case and 91 death.

Back in 2002/2003 it took over 8 month to tackle the SARS epidemic which spread over 26 countries. On March 5th, 2020 84 countries were concerned with declared cases of Covid 19. On March 7th, it was 96 countries. On March 13th (2 days ago) it was 120 countries.

As of today more than 156.000 cases have been OFFICIALLY confirmed worldwide, with almost 6.000 death already. In 2003 the outbreak of SARS concerned 8.000 cases with "less than" 800 death over the whole period.

It is not a question of having 20 years in Indo or more than 30 in SEA. First, this kind of statements have little sense. One may have spend 30 years in a place and still know little about a country, its culture, its government and its people.

NOTHING has ever come close to what is going on at the moment and we live in a country which is anything but prepared to manage a major sanitory crisis and to deal with a particularly severe contagious disease.

The world has known major pandemic situations in the past, some which have most certainly taken a greater death toll than the Covid19 will (the Bubonic plague of the XIVth century took between 75 to 200 million life - estimation vary - which was at the time around a third of the total world population) but it is a fact that the world didn't have to face a similar worrying sanitary situation with a contagious disease, with a disturbing high mortality rate, spreading so fast in the past 50 years. It did not, so it is perhaps wiser to take some precautions, and anyway, protecting one's family is a concern for some of us.

In another post you say that "concerning the governments of course they dont want to be seen to do less than their neighbour..." Well, do you think that they take lightly decisions (ex: closure of all bars, restaurants, shops, closure of borders, cancellation of every public events, etc) which affects tremenduously their economy for a durable length of time? The first thing politics think of is their reelection. Taking decision which will lay down tens of thousands of workers for something which is not worth it is not a safe and smart way to be reelected. If they do so, it is because they are forced to in front of the sanitary situation.

In Indonesia, the odds that the economy will be badly affected are high. The Rupiah is already down badly and many companies have already lay down staff, particularly in the tourism sector. We live in a country were many have little resource beside their meager wages and no savings. If the situation lasts the sanitary crisis may breed a major social problem. Some of us have seen in 1998 that when people have no food on their plate it can turn ugly.

On a personal note, would I advise people to stockpile foods and other goods? Nope. But it's very easy for me to say so since my company stock of food could easily feed my whole hood for a few months. So it's really not a concern for me. But I wouldn't blame or mock anyone taking steps to ensure that one's family is safe and well fed.
 
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Well, I finally have the time!
Sembako time.
(much like the image in this link)


Tomorrow I am going out 'bulk' shopping.
My intent is to make a care package for those in need, in our RT sector.


I hope those of you who are able will do something similar, rice, oil, ikan asin, noodles, vitamin c tablets, antangin sachets, eggs, meat, kerupuk, kecap manis etc.
We are lucky that we have a fab RT who keeps tabs on the old folks around here and is of generous spirit & more importantly knows where the genuine need is.
I see all the panic buying elsewhere and I want to do my bit for those who cannot stock up even a little bit on the basics.
I am not stating this for you to praise me, just really to get the idea out there that the way forwards is in generous spirit and kindness to neighbours. xxx
May all of you get through this concerning situation relatively unscathed.
 
in the UK ....... , they go for ‘herd immunity’ to the virus,
The UK approach is moronic.
So the UK is basically throwing a nation-wide Pox Party! Seems like the complete opposite of trying to "flatten the curve"

They got a huge amount of criticism from experts.

Now they will come up with a plan to spare and protect the senior citizens; elderly people over the age of 70 in the UK must be quarantined for up to four months.

Spain is really going the Italian way btw. More than 100 new deaths in 24 hours. And Belgians cross the border and are partying in The Netherlands, which did not choose to close their restaurants and bars. Public outrage.
 
I wonder if there could be policy like Taco Bell is adopting... close bars & restos to on-site dining, but allow take-out & delivery orders. This increases social isolation and still allows those who do not cook to eat something other than Indomie.
To be honest, I hope the malls and restaurants stay open (grocery stores and pharmacies are obviously essential as well), but at least having delivery services would be less disruptive than outright closure. Also, some workers who are laid off or forced to take unpaid leave could earn some income as Go-Jek drivers.
 
I really worry about the common working people in Indonesia. Especially those working in hotels, restaurants and the like. I’d guess many are making much less than normal, if they aren’t laid off.

Some of the hotel workers I know get half their monthly income from the service charge that the hotels collect. Low occupancy=hardly any service charge income.
 
Also, some workers who are laid off or forced to take unpaid leave could earn some income as Go-Jek drivers.

This could lead to an over-supply of go-jek driver. What happens when none of them make a basic living either?

Being a go-jek driver will be better at the beginning when a lot more people use delivery and then the "gold" rush will happen where everyone will sign up to be a driver and average driver income will plummet.

But that's if the go-jek and grab disaster mitigation plans or the government allow the offices to remain open.

So I guess the choice for us privileged people is going to be: 1. Impossible to order anything because not enough drivers. 2. Face social unrest from a green sea of ojol who can't eat. Lovely.
 
Any measures without a moratorium on all taxes, and at least personal debts, and all personal bank loans will not be enough, otherwise, the economy will collapse in a matter of weeks, after chain bankruptcies of companies/employers that will run out of cash.

Remote work is ok idea but not possible except for the tiny amount of companies.
 

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