Spouse visa , no annual salary now the wife has died , all the time in the world = no agent .
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Difficulty contacting new Immigration Office in Banyuwangi .
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I've found they don't take kindly to being corrected and can make life bloody difficult if you try to . I've never had a disagreement with any one at the Jember office but was told I needed a Letter from the Australian consulate saying they recognised my marriage which I got , 700,000rp , only to have another officer say it wasn't needed when I returned to the office to hand it in . From what I've experienced this new office in Banyuwangi which previously only handled wni / indonesian business has had the Foreign Services Dept added and all the new systems . technology dumped in there lap but no experienced officers to run it . Got handed a fist full of Surat Perhonan , Surat Penjamin forms etc etc for myself and my new sponsor to fill out today by an officer who had to refer to there phone for every question I asked . They asked for a new updated Surat Tanda Melapor which after visiting my local police office and Instagram messaging the Regional office in Banyuwangi is no longer issued by local or regional police offices "since late 2014 ". Neither mentioned where to get it or if It was still required . After searching google I found the Director General of Immigration Dept now issues it , which the Banyuwangi Immigration office either didn't get the memo or whatsapp message about and don't know they now issue the Surat's they require themselves . Same as the SKTT which was previously issued by Dukcapil . Lack of communication , lack of experienced officers to handle new tasks , misinterpretation of new rules/laws etc etc seems to be a problem .
I don't know about Immigration @ Instagram (never checked) , but Immigration @ Whatsapp , at least in my city , is for sure answered by humans .
Here neither Immigration nor the Civil Registry Office/Dukcapil ask for anything from Police . The Civil Registry Office here was asking for the Surat Tanda Melapor until few years ago and our local Immigration never asked .
This is probably the reason you are having all these problems .
Could you tell us where did you find these information (this is the first time I see/hear about that) .
SKTT is a similar document to the KTP , still issued by Kantor Catatan Sipil/Civil Registry Office , here in Bandung .
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So don't complain....
Your choice to make it difficult.
@Nicho , more seriously, why you don't simply drop it all and restart all over but with a pensioner visa.
Quite easy conditions, agent mandatory, no more stress.
And the visa is YOURS, it doesn't depend on any local male or female. (A must for me)
And there are decent agents around, well at least here in Bali. As long as you continue feeding them
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Quite easy conditions, agent mandatory, no more stress.
And the visa is YOURS, it doesn't depend on any local male or female. (A must for me)
And there are decent agents around, well at least here in Bali. As long as you continue feeding them
....Also no visa
D day next week. Will have more time at the airport lounge too
Enjoy coming back on evoa
Put a different address this time
Just received an Instagram reply from police office in Banyuwangi this morning . STM are now issued by Polda Jatim , East Java Regional Police office in Surabaya . Not available on line , have to travel to the office "approx 12 hours by road " . The original information "the same as you have posted " but also mentioning that the STM was now issued by Immigration was from a Google AI search which I have found to give a lot of bad misleading information , I tried the Director Generals web site , Jember Immigration and Banyuwangi office but couldn't open most of the option / link choices on there pages . I'll show them this latest regulation when I return to the office later this week . As for the SKTT , I've only every needed the SKTT and SKD from the local Kepala Desa for everything , Kitas Visa renewals ,Ahi Status Kitas to Kitap , getting sim etc and they are still issuing them as of yesterday no questions asked , had both renewed / updated , they even printed me 3 copies for the different depts and noted the different dept requirements on each one. Have had more success getting information from messages to Polres Banyuwangi on "Instagram" than the Immigration web sites . And they reply to messages almost immediately which is more than I can say for immigration.
And so ?
Your suggestion does not make sense . More important than the difficulties Nicho is having (due to the inexperience of the Immigration officers) is that his process now is a benefit that he has by holding a Stay Permit sponsored by Indonesian spouse , a benefit that holders of Retirement Stay Permit do not have .
And even if for a very particular reason a foreigner (in a similar situation as Nicho) decides to follow your suggestion , he/she doesn't need to restart with a Retirement Visa , he/she only needs to change the sponsor and keep the KITAP .
We (holders of Stay Permit sponsored by Indonesian spouse) can also hire an agent , if we prefer to do so . And agents charge us less than they charge holders of Retirement Stay Permit , because of the sponsorship fee .
My wife/sponsor let me control my Visa & Stay Permits processes , but your agent/sponsor probably will never let you control yours . And to me , besides the money I save , there is a satisfaction of doing my own documents .
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Laughable answer...
But thanks for taking the time arguing point by point.
Than again, I am not in love, neither with a women or with this country...
Remember what I wrote, "as long as you feed the sponsor".....do I have to be more explicative about "sponsor" ?
Yeah, yeah, I know, I am a cynical old boy.
Decades overseas does that to you.
But I still have a heart, out of reach.
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One of those examples where you can show all texts of law (you keep in a spreadsheet) you want, but if they have their own opinion or just want to screw you….
And Jember is -as far as I know- a Kelas I office so especially they should know better. Scandalous.
And Jember is -as far as I know- a Kelas I office so especially they should know better. Scandalous.
About the Surat Tanda Melapor/STM , I searched a little and think that it stopped existing since 2011 , if we rely on the Jogja's Police (see below) as they say its requirement came from Article 60 of Law/UU no.9 Year 1992 , which was totally substituted by UU no.6 Year 2011 , which does not state this subject anymore .
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From https://jogja.polri.go.id/bantul/pi...izinan-pemberitahuan-kegiatan-masyarakat.html - free translation
A. SURAT TANDA MELAPOR ( STM )
1. Basis:
- Chief of Police Regulation No. Pol: JUKLAK/09/II/1995 concerning Supervision of the Obligation of Every Person Providing Accommodation to Foreigners to Report to the Police.
- Law no.9 of 1994 Concerning Immigration (Article 60)
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UU no.9 Year 1992 - free translation
Article 60
Any person who provides accommodation to a foreigner and fails to report this to the Indonesian National Police or the authorized local government official within 24 hours of the foreigner's arrival shall be subject to a maximum imprisonment of 1 year or a maximum fine of Rp5 million.
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UU no.6 Year 2011 About Immigration - free translation
Considering:
c. that Law no.9 of 1992 concerning Immigration is no longer adequate to meet the various developments in the need for regulation, services, and supervision in the sector of Immigration and therefore needs to be revoked and replaced with a new, more comprehensive law and capable of addressing existing challenges;
I think Google AI is wrong about it . I also deleted its answer from my post no.23 above after I checked the Regulation it mentioned .
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Just a reminder of what we are, immigrants.....
Not a problem, just never forget it...
Never your's when your "married" to an agent for life !@Nicho , more seriously, why you don't simply drop it all and restart all over but with a pensioner visa.
Quite easy conditions, agent mandatory, no more stress.
And the visa is YOURS, it doesn't depend on any local male or female. (A must for me)
And there are decent agents around, well at least here in Bali. As long as you continue feeding them
And have more headaches with changes of address etc etc . I've got enough on my plate as it is .
No because any day now very soon you're going to have to leave Indonesia and re-enter on a new visa probably Evisa and then just put you staying with a friend in Jakarta at least then you can do everything on line efficiently and then move back to the sticks later on paper.
Right now you are 5crewed IMHO
Clock is ticking Sir
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