Did Hamas use Indonesian Shifa Hospital as a human shield ?

[Samoerai]

Putin must be very happy with this war between Israel and Hamas. Nobody is talking about the war Russia vs Ukrain anymore.

 

[fastpitch17]

Absolutely the tide is turning back.
This brave young man tried to solve the Jewish issue but the evil government aprehended him.

Cornell Student Allegedly Threatened to Rape and Kill Jewish Students

Patrick Dai, 21, could face up to five years in prison after authorities allege he posted the threats online.

people.com

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/31/1209839480/cornell-student-arrested-antisemitic-threats

Yeah but I wasn't actually referring to our numerous nut cases.

 

[fastpitch17]

Putin must be very happy with this war between Israel and Hamas. Nobody is talking about the war Russia vs Ukrain anymore.

I'm sure putin is watching closely the US legislature to see how much they will start supporting him in Ukraine.

 

[Shadrach]

This is so far removed from critical thought it's pathetic. Gaza was not at war. All conflict was conducted by the terrorist group Hamas and the evil government heads of Israel. In a normal day, the hospitals see the same needs of their patients as hospitals do around the world. The need for hospitals is great. Now that Netanyahu has decided he has his opportunity to eliminate all Palestinians, men, women, children, and babies, the hospitals have even a greater need simply because they are stationary and people know where to go.

You may claim that some of those being treated at the hospitals are Hamas and you will probably be correct. Medical personnel are trained to treat those in need. No one ever condemned me or my associates when we treated a wounded VC combatant. No one complained when we treated villagers in need of medical attention. Yes, I worked out of mobil hospitals and I can honestly say that many were not treated that could have been simply because we were either too far away or our location was unknown for obvious reasons.

Pantaiema. I suggest you stop posting about this since it is obvious you haven't a clue as to how things work or what necitates a need for a permanent medical facility. JMHO

As for tunnels under the hospital, what is your source that they were built by the hospital or were even aware of their presence? If the hospital was involved in tunnels in all likelyhood they were put there with the idea of evacuation needs.

Thanks for posting this! No one wants to be sick or injured! Thank you for helping those VC! We have to stop all the violence! Think of a small child that doesn't understand why this is happening! No more buckets of tears!!

 

[centurion]

Yeah but I wasn't actually referring to our numerous nut cases.

Here another one martyr in disguse yesterday, a patriot indeed. Maybe student at Oberlin, or member of "Queers for Palestine".

Jordanian unmasked as 'radical' who was studying how to build bombs

Sohaib Abuayyash, 20, was arrested on October 19 in Houston and charged with unlawful possession of a firearm, with FBI investigators now alleging that he studied how to build bombs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Shadrach]

Whoa! Everyone please calm down on this subject! Let's count to ten and then say something. Anger is never going to fix a problem!

 

[snpark]

something

 

[Hawk256]

Here another one martyr in disguse yesterday, a patriot indeed. Maybe student at Oberlin, or member of "Queers for Palestine".

Jordanian unmasked as 'radical' who was studying how to build bombs

Sohaib Abuayyash, 20, was arrested on October 19 in Houston and charged with unlawful possession of a firearm, with FBI investigators now alleging that he studied how to build bombs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

It strikes me as a little odd that you take any slightly negative statement agaist Isreal as wanting to kill Jews and you think that anyone who thinks Palestine may be mistreaded as a terrorist. Defintely your right but most people don't paint with such a broad brush. I'm not sure how the stories you posted have anything to do with the acutal discussion either but you do you.

 

[snpark]

Whoa! Everyone please calm down on this subject! Let's count to ten and then say something. Anger is never going to fix a problem!

yes, nukes much more efficient

 

[pantaiema]

YES, PATHETIC SO GO AHEAD AND BRING IT

Wars in Gaza are not wars with Gaza

If a hospital is a few miles away, how are patients supposed to get there since everyone is restricted in their movements? Hospitals need to be located where they do the most good. The Indonesian sponsored hospital is exactly where it is needed.

What in the name of imbacel does human organ trade have to do with Palestine. Geesh.

Yes, Israel claims to be targeting Hamas. Just the price of war that over 9,000 innocent lives got in the way. Source, every media outlet around the world. Even Israeli newspapers are reporting it. All are pointing fingers directly at Netanyahu and his radical government. Unlike you, I think there is a minority of the world that wants or feels that Israel will be wiped off the face of the map. Wipe out Netanyahu and it all changes. Get someone who can come up with an actual plan to end this thing without eracing Palestinians off the world population list.

It is obvious that someone hasn't a clue to what hospitals do. Sorry, evidently, unlike you I have not visited every hospital in the world to inspect their underground facilities. What I can tell you that under many hospitals lie a vast network of underground tunnel like structures. I have not explored them since I wasn't concerned about them.

What? Now the hospital has their own network of tunnels? Are you sure since evidently you have been in them. If I were to assume everything like you I would have to assume you have been in them because you are a Hamas terrorist.

Maybe just stop talking about things you know nothing of.

Besides employing the term 'PATHETIC,' this individual has previously used the acronym 'WTF' in a more refined conversation. But here we go. let's maintain our composure and engage in a rational analysis. This is a reference to what you expressed earlier

Now that Netanyahu has decided he has his opportunity to ELIMINATE ALL PALESTINIANS, men, women, children, and babies, the hospitals have even a greater need simply because they are stationary and people know where to go.

And now

Yes, Israel claims to be targeting Hamas. Just the price of war that over 9,000 innocent lives got in the way.

Palestinian Population is 4.923 million (2021).so 9,000, is only 0.19%. ALL Palestinian ?????? someone might need to GO BACK TO SCHOOL or ask his grandchildren.

As mentioned earlier, if you possess solid evidence to substantiate your assertion that Netanyahu intends to eradicate all Palestinians, there's a potential opportunity for you to gain a substantial fortune by sharing this evidence with media organizations or individuals who advocate for the elimination of Israel. If you indeed have such evidence, please feel free to post your blog detailing your path to achieving multimillionaire status here.

This is so far removed from critical thought it's This is so far removed PATHETIC. GAZA WAS NOT AT WAR.

The same guy preaching a lot the conflict between Hamas vs Israel, Gaza. He does not even know a very basic thing the fact that Israel and Hamas have engaged in multiple conflicts, and the Gaza Strip has been a focal point of these conflicts.

Gaza War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As for tunnels under the hospital, what is your source that they were built by the hospital or were even aware of their presence? If the hospital was involved in tunnels in all likelyhood they were put there with the idea of evacuation needs.

And The concept of tunnels for evacuation need ???????????????? This is the most funny bit as this statement came from someone who claims used to be working in an ambulance services. What type of ambulance services then, mobile ambulance, air ambulance or TUNNEL AMBULANCE SERVICES !!

It is obvious that someone hasn't a clue to what hospitals do. Sorry, evidently, unlike you I have not visited every hospital in the world to inspect their underground facilities. What I can tell you that under many hospitals lie a vast network of underground tunnel like structures. I have not explored them since I wasn't concerned about them.

Is underground, facilities the same with a mesh of underground tunnels ?? Again someone might need to go back to school to learn various terms used in construction industry.

This what you said previously

As for tunnels under the hospital, what is your source that they were built by the hospital or were even aware of their presence? If the hospital was involved in tunnels in all likelyhood they were put there with the idea of evacuation needs.

Unless they are very naive, have never travelled, never see various modern buildings, airports, Leisure centres it's surprising if that they wouldn't be aware of the existence of underground facilities in such premises.

What I can tell you that under many hospitals lie a vast network of underground tunnel like structures. I have not explored them since I wasn't concerned about them.

We are discussing the tunnels utilized by HAMAS, not underground facilities. Previously, you mentioned that these tunnels might be used for evacuations, and this assertion comes from someone who claims to have worked in an ambulance service.

I've seen many air ambulance paramedics conducting evacuations via helicopters and EVTOL aircraft, but I've never witnessed paramedics using an interconnected network of tunnels for such purposes. If such thing exist, how did they call it then TUNNEL AMBULANCE service ???? .

This is an example of air Ambulance services. There are tons of information about this

And I keep asking this question. Can you provide examples of hospitals worldwide in the city centre that employ an intricate network of underground tunnels for evacuation? Wouldn't it be more cost-effective and efficient to utilize helicopters or EvTOL aircraft for such purposes?

Now your turn or everyone who share the same opinion with you; is there any TUNNEL AMBULANCE service ?? Link please. Do not use yourself as a reference, you are not an authoritative source.

Certainly, it will depend on the location how much does it cost to build a tunnel per mile in the city ?? Unless they are Mexican drug barons such as El Chapo why would anyone rational want to build an network of tunnels, let alone for medical evacuation if there is a much cheaper alternative using helicopters or EvTOLs ??

 

[Bob]

Tide is starting to turn in the US in regards to supporting Israel's war on Hamas. People, including some American Jews are speaking out against Netanyahu's wholesale war crimes approach to going after Hamas. They want a plan for the end game.

More than a few are speaking out.

 

[Bob]

When an individual uses the term "Pathetic" in their responses during public discussions, it reveals an additional aspect of his character. And why people need to care other people opinion of being critical or not critical ??. I refrain from using similar language, but I may need to reciprocate if others continue to employ such terminology in the public discussion.

Gaza region has a history of experiencing multiple wars and conflicts in the past. So it is highly inaccurate to say "Gaza was not at war".

Gaza War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I acknowledge that the hospital has the same obligations towards its patients as hospitals worldwide. However, when there is a high risk of it being damaged or destroyed in the conflict, the situation becomes more complex. The option is not necessarily moving it to another city but it could be just a few miles away.



I believe it's universally acknowledged that the importance of hospitals is indisputable. While most hospitals primarily serve the vital purpose of caring for patients and their medical needs, some may be exploited for political gains or other morally reprehensible act. I'm not implying that Shifa Hospital in Gaza is being used in such a manner. However, the existence of a network of underground tunnels raises further questions about its necessity.

I have posted here a hospital in Cambodia and Myanmar is used as a centre for removing human organ for trading.

Indonesians Human trafficking in Myanmar ? Is it true ??

I have heard a few stories about human Trafficking in Myanmar, but I just ignored it, as it might be just a make up stories. But this news comes from a reputable source, KompasTV. They do not just publish article if they have not done some level of verification according to Journalism code of...

www.expatindo.org

Additionally, there are hospitals that are established with a business-oriented approach, aimed at maximizing shareholder value. These are often associated with healthcare stocks and are listed as ETFs on stock exchanges. Those interested in this topic can initiate a separate discussion thread.



This is quite an assertive statement. Are there concrete pieces of evidence to support it, especially when discussing the use of terms like "women," "children," and "babies" in relation to the elimination of innocent people? As far as I understand, the primary objective here is to target HAMAS, not the entire Palestinian population. It's worth noting that HAMAS has been designated as a terrorist organization by numerous countries, including the United Nations.

If you possess evidence to substantiate your assertion, it's possible that you could gain significant attention by sharing it with newspapers or parties interested in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. You could even become a sudden millionaire by selling your evidence to the newspaper, the party who want Israel to be wiped out from the map.



You don't require someone else to clarify this for you, and you don't need to work in ambulance services to understand that paramedics, doctors, and nurses will provide medical care to an injured people, even combatant, regardless of which side they belong to in the conflict. Even school children are aware of the humanitarian work carried out by the Red Cross, especially if they become involved in the Scouts and learn about these fundamental principles.



The concept of tunnels for evacuation needs is intriguing, particularly when it's suggested by someone who identifies themselves as part of a mobile hospital unit. Can you provide examples of hospitals worldwide in the city centre that employ an intricate network of underground tunnels for evacuation? Wouldn't it be more cost-effective and efficient to utilize helicopters or EvTOL aircraft for such purposes?

I want to clarify that I never say that professional staff, such as paramedics and nurses, are aware of this. They are dedicated professionals committed to treating the injured, regardless of their affiliation. However, it seems highly improbable that no one within the hospital's management was not aware of the existence of a complex network of underground tunnels, especially considering that:

• It's not just a single tunnel but a mesh of underground tunnels.
• Such a tunnel network would take time to construct.

How is it you know so much about those tunnels under the hospital?

 

[pantaiema]

How is it you know so much about those tunnels under the hospital?

I will be asking the same question how did you know the war in Gaza strip between Hamas and Israel ??

 

[Hawk256]

Isreal just bombed the refugee camp for the 3rd day in a row and got a UN school for good measure. How do you justify that? How big of a suprise will it really be when they bomb the hospital as well?

 

[Bob]

I will be asking the same question how did you know the war in Gaza strip between Palestrina and Israel ??

That's not much of an answer. Really, how do you know so very much about them?

 

[harryopal1]

While there is an intense desire for revenge amongst many Israelis and the Zionists who believe they are God's chosen with the right to take whatever Palestinian land they desire and to smite their enemies I suspect that Netanyahu is on the one hand appeasing this substantial element but is shrewd enough to realize that annihilating the Palestinians will not ultimately serve Israel's long term interests and that totally wiping out Hamas is not really achievable. I imagine there is a list of top Hamas strategists that must be dealt with but that done and when the numbers of Palestinian dead seem to somewhat negate the Israeli losses, the wily fox may see the opportunity to agree to a sudden ceasefire and apparently emerge as a humanitarian statesman achieving justice.

 

[snpark]

Genocide Joe thought he could keep his Jewish financers and backers happy. But now it could be what kicks him out

Imagine the next POTUS saying "US is sorry and we respect 1949 UN agreement. Israel f off out of Palestinian land"

Lol
Just look at the maps of how much land Israel has ILLEGALLY taken in 50+ years

Palestine is not even on Google maps

Like Saudi UK sports washing
We have US media genocide washing

 

[snpark]

Neto is like "everyone evacuate. We will get Hamas. Then you can all come back afterwards. Pinky finger promise".
Lol

 

[fastpitch17]

Dear Pantaiema,

I am not going to place your quote here simply because your quotes are so broken up. If anyone wants to reread your dribble, they can. Plus, I stand by my remarks.

Something to clarify. I never once stated I worked in an ambulance service. I worked in the US Military and for a time in a combat zone as a medic, From time to time I was placed in or was needed to assist with the regular ambulance personnel. I am quite aware of helicopter transport since I served on a helicopter and have first hand experience in war zones. Unless you have similar experiences as mine, I kindly suggest you STFU about this topic.

As for what is in or not in or the uses of anything reported on in Gaza.
I am not there. I can not speak of first hand knowledge of any reasonings for the tunnels. I was not involved in their planning, construction, or usage so I can not comment as knowing for a fact their use. You post like you do and while you always ask for a source, you offer none to back your argument except that the tunnels are there. As for my comments, they are mine and mine alone. I base them on past experiences and reading a lot of various news sources from different parts of the world. So, I doubt that you have the experiences similar to mine and just reply without anything to back you up.

I first got in this discussion because it was looking like you were placing blame for everything on Indonesia and I seen a person that hates it here. Just because someone is supporting something financially doesn't mean they get all the say. I doubt there are any Indonesians working in that hospital. Maybe there are a few. I just didn't think you needed to condemn Indonesia.

Gaza is a strip of land occupied primarily by Muslim Palestinians and a minority of other religion related Palestinians. It is governed by Hamas. The war is Israel against Hamas, not Israel against a strip of land. The number of dead and casualties along with locations where many of these deaths and casualties took place points a finger directly at Netanyahu and his intentions. Refugee camps, convoys of ambulances, mosque, and food providing businesses. The turning off of all necassary supplies us another example.

Maybe your argument in based on your MAGA like thinking against all Muslims. Maybe it is simply because you love Netanyahu and feel he can do no wrong. I don't know but really, I don't care.

In the end, too many innocent lives were lost from the hands of Hamas and the hands of Israel. Both have permanent blood on their hands. It doesn't matter what the percentage is of Palestinian lives lost in regards to their population. Any percentage is too high. Quite interesting when you say it is "only" such and such percentage. That normally refers to a poster thinking there us room fir a lot more. Why not include the percentage of Innocent Israelites lives taken? Would it be since dealing with percentages, it is smaller than the Palestinian numbers?

While you stand for the wholesale slaughter of Innocent lives and support war crimes against humanity, I will continue to speak out against the same no matter who it at fault. I will stand for the innocent lives everywhere. I have a heart and conscience.

 

[fastpitch17]

Isreal just bombed the refugee camp for the 3rd day in a row and got a UN school for good measure. How do you justify that? How big of a suprise will it really be when they bomb the hospital as well?

They added a convoy if ambulances to the Netanyahu list of war crimes. Racking them right up.