Certification of 800,000 Teachers Targeted to be Completed This Year (2025)

[serious_fun]

The effort to ensure that all teachers in Indonesia are certified by 2026 has begun!

 

[Bob]

The effort to ensure that all teachers in Indonesia are certified by 2026 has begun!

Let's hope it's a good start to address a major issue.

 

[Shadrach]

I don't have much hope that the Teachers will be adequately trained, even if they get a certificate! It's like the BPJS Doctors. They can buy their certificates. I've been to some that didn't know their Ass from a hole in the Ground!

 

[pantaiema]

I don't have much hope that the Teachers will be adequately trained, even if they get a certificate! !....

Same here.
For those unfamiliar with the educational system in Indonesia, the country once had dedicated universities designed specifically to train individuals to become professional teachers. In this specialized higher institution for teachers training, they do not just learn the subject matter but also about didactic, teaching method on how the children, human learn. These were not short courses or certifications, but full four-year degree programs at the university level, known as IKIP (Institutes of Teacher Training and Education). Graduates of these institutions earned degrees in education with concentration on different subjects. They were expected to become professional teachers to teach below university level focusing on particular subject.

However, in reality, many graduates of these specialized teacher-training universities struggled to find jobs in their fields due to an oversupply of teachers and lack of availability of teaching position. Moreover, they were often outperformed by graduates from regular universities that did not specialize in teacher education. Any sensible people will certainly could see why they are oversupplied as at that time almost every medium/big cities have IKIPs, state own Institutes for teachers training. It is not uncommon these IKIPs have more than 10,000+ students enrolled. How many teaching position available out there ?? You hardly ever see developed countries have so many universities dedicated for teachers' training. What you might see in developed countries is a university course built within a school or faculty specialized for teachers training, not the whole university dedicated for teachers training with more than 10,000 students enrollment.

As a result, the government eventually dismantled the IKIP system, converting these institutions into regular universities. For instance, IKIP Jakarta became Jakarta State University (UNJ), and IKIP Surabaya became Jakarta State University (UNESA), etc. Those who are interested to learn how IKIP Jakarta become UNJ, for instance could get the summary from UNJ own website https://unj.ac.id/sejarah/

Teacher training has always been available since ages, as discussed in this forum thread:
https://www.expatindo.org/community...hers-certifications-training.7278/#post-97622

Given the past failure of such programs, I seriously doubt that certifying 800,000 teachers alone will have meaningful impact, unless the root problems are addressed. For the certification like this, all the current teachers need to do is to attend this training. Finishing the training they will get training certificate and salary increase. There are a lot of other incentives to complete it because apart from increasing income, the course like this are typically fully funded. Pocket money, travel allowances are often part of the training package.

Likewise, I seriously doubt that simply raising teachers' salaries, especially for civil servant teachers, will significantly improve the quality of education in Indonesia, if it still means the same legacy teachers with unchanged mindsets and attitudes are standing in front of the classroom. It's also worth noting that civil servant teachers in Indonesia already receive a base salary comparable to other civil service professionals, such as engineers, accountants, and doctors, nurses, etc.

If the goal is to improve teacher compensation, perhaps more attention should be given to educators in private schools located in remote areas, where many earn well below the minimum wage. For those interested, the discussion on teacher salaries is available in this thread.

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Unlike in many other countries, Indonesia actually faces an oversupply of teachers. The recruitment process especially for civil servant teaching positions is riddled with corruption, often bringing in individuals who lack both the passion and aptitude for teaching.

This may help explain why it’s not uncommon to find teachers absent from the classroom. Also keep in mind, in subject like STEM, it's not just teaching skills that matter, but teachers must also have a strong grasp of the subject itself. This requires a certain level of intelligence and competence, which not all of teacher graduate have it.

 

[Shadrach]

Same here.
For those unfamiliar with the system in Indonesia, the country once had dedicated universities designed specifically to train individuals to become professional teachers. These were not short courses or certifications, but full four-year degree programs at the university level, known as IKIP (Institutes of Teacher Training and Education). Graduates of these institutions earned degrees in education and were expected to become professional teachers.

However, in reality, many graduates of these specialized teacher-training universities struggled to find jobs due to an oversupply of teachers. Moreover, they were often outperformed by graduates from general universities that did not specialize in teacher education.

As a result, the government eventually dismantled the IKIP system, converting these institutions into regular universities. For instance, IKIP Jakarta became Universitas Negeri Jakarta (UNJ), and IKIP Surabaya became Universitas Negeri Surabaya (UNESA).

Teacher training has always been available since ages, as discussed in this forum thread:
https://www.expatindo.org/community...hers-certifications-training.7278/#post-97622

Given the past failure of such programs, I seriously doubt that certifying 800,000 teachers will have much impact unless the root problems are addressed. For the certification like this, all they need to do is to attend the training, finishing the training they will get training certificate

Unlike in many other countries, Indonesia actually faces an oversupply of teachers. The recruitment process especially for civil servant teaching positions is riddled with corruption, often bringing in individuals who lack both the passion and aptitude for teaching.

This may help explain why it’s not uncommon to find teachers absent from the classroom. In subjects like STEM, it's not just teaching skills that matter, but teachers must also have a strong grasp of the subject itself. This requires a certain level of intelligence and competence, which not all of teacher graduate have it.

It's obvious some Teachers are inadequate when you see students entering the Sixth grade and still can't count to ten, without using their fingers! Oh, but they can quote the Koran, or many Hindu teachings!

 

[harryopal1]

The corruption worms wriggle in most countries. The University of Sydney is currently engaged in a squeeze to contain expenditure with four hundred staff about to lose their jobs. One of the group overseeing a plan to cut $100 million is Vice-Chancellor Professor Andrew Parfitt.

It has now been revealed that Professor Parfitt was one one a group of five senior executives spending more than $140,000 on flights, accommodation and food during a trip to the USA in May.

Here is the full story if of interest:

University executives rack up $140,000 bill on US trip as 400 staff face sack

The spending on alumni events in May comes as the university says it needs to sack 400 staff to save $100 million.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Shadrach]

The corruption worms wriggle in most countries. The University of Sydney is currently engaged in a squeeze to contain expenditure with four hundred staff about to lose their jobs. One of the group overseeing a plan to cut $100 million is Vice-Chancellor Professor Andrew Parfitt.

It has now been revealed that Professor Parfitt was one one a group of five senior executives spending more than $140,000 on flights, accommodation and food during a trip to the USA in May.

Here is the full story if of interest:

University executives rack up $140,000 bill on US trip as 400 staff face sack

The spending on alumni events in May comes as the university says it needs to sack 400 staff to save $100 million.

www.abc.net.au

Since when does an economy seat cost $3000 and up? They must have stayed in some nice Hotel rooms! For food like that!

 

[pantaiema]

The corruption worms wriggle in most countries. The University of Sydney is currently engaged in a squeeze to contain expenditure with four hundred staff about to lose their jobs. One of the group overseeing a plan to cut $100 million is Vice-Chancellor Professor Andrew Parfitt.

It has now been revealed that Professor Parfitt was one one a group of five senior executives spending more than $140,000 on flights, accommodation and food during a trip to the USA in May.

Here is the full story if of interest:

University executives rack up $140,000 bill on US trip as 400 staff face sack

The spending on alumni events in May comes as the university says it needs to sack 400 staff to save $100 million.

www.abc.net.au

Corruption in education exists everywhere, but what sets Indonesia apart is the sheer scale of it and the number of people involved. There also seems to be a cultural element, where some treat public or other people’s money as if it were their own.

Corruption within Indonesia’s education system has happened at various levels, from ministers, vice chancellors, and rectors to headmasters and teachers. It's shocking to see that even teachers for small children are willing to steal savings meant for their own pupils' future. I’ve provided evidence from the news of this in another thread.

 

[Shadrach]

Corruption in education exists everywhere, but what sets Indonesia apart is the sheer scale of it and the number of people involved. There also seems to be a cultural element, where some treat public or other people’s money as if it were their own.

Corruption within Indonesia’s education system has happened at various levels, from ministers, vice chancellors, and rectors to headmasters and teachers. It's shocking to see that even teachers for small children are willing to steal savings meant for their own pupils' future. I’ve provided evidence from the news of this in another thread.

It's Sad when Adults don't care enough about their Children! They would rather support building up the Military, or lining their pockets with money, than providing a better life for the kids! It seems to me, many have an attitude that they didn't get much education, so why should the kids? I thought most Parents had an attitude that they wanted a better life for their Children. Which included a better Education! After all, The Children are going to be the new leaders to come. So the smarter they are, the better decisions they will make for the Country, and the People!

 

[pantaiema]

There is no doubt that teacher certification is a positive initiative. For any capable teacher, there is little reason not to participate if given the opportunity. Such certification programs are usually fully funded by the government. Expenses for travel, accommodation, and subsistence are covered, while teachers continue to receive their regular salary. In addition, they are provided with a per diem allowance during the training. Upon successful completion, teachers typically receive a salary increase. Civil servant teachers are usually prioritized, although private school teachers may also receive free training depending on the budget.

However, participation is limited. Due to funding constraints, not all teachers can join at once. Training is conducted in batches, often resulting in waiting lists. This creates opportunities for corruption, such as bribery or extortion by those wishing to move ahead in the queue, as illustrated in Post #251

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It should also be noted that some civil servant teachers may already be accustomed to using bribery to secure positions or preferential treatment for certification. If they could steal the saving for their own pupils future, bribery to get certified and pay rise will be an easier route.

If, however, the selection process is transparent, participants are appropriately vetted, and those in charge of certification remain free from bribery and extortion, the scheme can be highly beneficial. In such a case, it would not only enhance the quality of teachers but also deliver long-term benefits for students and the nation as a whole.

 

[Shadrach]

We must remember, hat the whole purpose of increasing teachers pay is to improving the Students performance! Along with the Qualliy of the schools also! This should be a mandatory topic!