Bules love ayam

I love me some chicken too.



Wait, this is not fried chicken eh?
 
Lolz... Once upon a time indeed only Bule goes to Blok M.. Today the Jap, Asian also Love Ayam Blok M.... lollzzz
 
Are there as many stereotypes for mixed couples where the man is Indonesian and the woman is foreign? I'm not aware of them if there are. Funny, although in the majority of mixed marriages the husband is usually the foreigner, in my circle most of the mixed couples I know are the other way around. I'm not sure why that is.
 
Are there as many stereotypes for mixed couples where the man is Indonesian and the woman is foreign? I'm not aware of them if there are. Funny, although in the majority of mixed marriages the husband is usually the foreigner, in my circle most of the mixed couples I know are the other way around. I'm not sure why that is.
They are rare enough (in comparison to the typical foreign man + Indonesian woman) that I'm not aware of any stereotype. I don't see anything in common with all these couples, their circumstances don't fit a neat pattern.

My unscientific guess is that the average Indonesian man still expects to have the traditional role as the head of the household. Since the foreigner is typically in a stronger economic position, it tends to undermine that expected familial structure. So, these couples are rare because they are a combination between an atypical Indonesian man and an atypical foreign woman.
 
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Funny, although in the majority of mixed marriages the husband is usually the foreigner, in my circle most of the mixed couples I know are the other way around. I'm not sure why that is.


At the risk of sounding sexist... might it be because you are a woman? In my simplistic way I think you, being female, might be more likely to partake in activities which are more likely to have female participants. Some unfortunately stereotypical examples are: parenting groups, amateur arts groups, and charitable organizations. Sorry for the generalizations... I know they may not apply.
 
They are rare enough (in comparison to the typical foreign man + Indonesian woman) that I'm not aware of any stereotype. I don't see anything in common with all these couples, their circumstances don't fit a neat pattern.

My unscientific guess is that the average Indonesian man still expects to have the traditional role as the head of the household. Since the foreigner is typically in a stronger economic position, it tends to undermine that expected familial structure. So, these couples are rare because they are a combination between an atypical Indonesian man and an atypical foreign woman.

That theory seems pretty spot on, but can you explain why Asian male, white female is an uncommon relationship even in places where the two may be economic peers? It's a pretty rare interracial relationship, not unheard of but still less common than say black male, white female or white male, Asian female.

My suspicion is simply that Asian men on average are not tall enough. Height is the single biggest predictor of a woman's attraction for a man(yes Puspa, I know you disagree and love short men!), too tall or too short are huge turn offs bigger than baldness or obesity. Since the average Indonesian man is about as tall as the average Western woman it's a major selective hurdle to overcome.

It's interesting how common it is for white men to objectify Asian women and adhere to certain stereotypes about them. Granted, I am among those white men who married an Asian woman...

This great documentary touches on this issue.

http://www.seekingasianfemale.com/

I've recommended it before, but it's worth revisiting because I think it's of interest to a lot of people on this forum. I watched it with my wife and we were AMAZED by the way these men handled their relationships with their wives/girlfriends. It also made us question our relationship. Did we get together solely because we were in love with the person we met, or did we each have some baggage about the other before we even met? My wife and I are the same age, we met in school, so we are a little different from a lot of those mixed marriages. However, my wife was obsessed with English language media and boy bands from a young age. She's always seen herself with someone outside her ethnicity.

I'd never dated an Asian before, man or woman, but I was looking for someone who shared my religious values. Did I marry my wife because she's an observant woman, did I secretly harbor some desire for someone more "traditional" than I am?

It's a fun exercise to consider the external factors, I'm sure they exist even in racially endogamous relationships.
 
I was attracted to my wife because she was hot, hot, hot. Had worldly experiance outside of Indonesia, and had an interest in experiencing different things. Religion was never spoken of or any interest placed on it. Her early life in Indonesia were interesting stories but it was a place at that time she did not want to return to. Oh, did I mention she was hot, exotic, and the most beautiful creature on the face of the earth?

OK, she was also easy to communicate with, had no desire like me to settle down, had long honest conversations together, and was the 1978 Hong Kong female dart champian.
 
I was attracted to my wife because she was hot, hot, hot. Had worldly experiance outside of Indonesia, and had an interest in experiencing different things. Religion was never spoken of or any interest placed on it. Her early life in Indonesia were interesting stories but it was a place at that time she did not want to return to. Oh, did I mention she was hot, exotic, and the most beautiful creature on the face of tge earth?

You also forgot to mention she was reading over your shoulder.

It's true, I am hugely attracted to my wife, her lovely physique and her brains. But watching that documentary made both of us ask some uncomfortable questions, questions we both kinda thought were a nonissue because we didn't fit into the mold of older white man, young village girl.
 
Are there as many stereotypes for mixed couples where the man is Indonesian and the woman is foreign? I'm not aware of them if there are. Funny, although in the majority of mixed marriages the husband is usually the foreigner, in my circle most of the mixed couples I know are the other way around. I'm not sure why that is.

Actually a good friend of mine who is the daughter of an Indonesian man and western woman, told me that when she was little, while only traveling with her dad, they were stopped by cops who thought that she was kidnapped!

The other way around, which still happens today, is that the Indonesian mom is thought to be the "pembantu".
 
You also forgot to mention she was reading over your shoulder.

It's true, I am hugely attracted to my wife, her lovely physique and her brains. But watching that documentary made both of us ask some uncomfortable questions, questions we both kinda thought were a nonissue because we didn't fit into the mold of older white man, young village girl.

We don't fit that mold either. We are only 2 1/2 years apart. We are differant here with reactions from others because most people figure we are both foreigners since my wife doesn't look Indonesian. Family seems dead set that foreign men just marry their housekeepes because of the age differance. I know some that have that age differance and none of the wives were housekeepers. Most were very successful in what they were doing.
 
Actually a good friend of mine who is the daughter of an Indonesian man and western woman, told me that when she was little, while only traveling with her dad, they were stopped by cops who thought that she was kidnapped!

The other way around, which still happens today, is that the Indonesian mom is thought to be the "pembantu".

That actually happened more in the US. Our kids were asked constantly if their mother was their nanny. Our kids don't look half Asian.
 
Are there as many stereotypes for mixed couples where the man is Indonesian and the woman is foreign?

Some stereotypes that I've heard would be Indonesian men tend to see western women as physically bigger and taller than they are. They feel threatened by it and would rather have Indonesian petite girls instead as their partner. Since Indonesian men usually need to feel superior to their women in many ways; financially, physically, mentally, etc.
Another stereotype that I heard is that they'd rather have ex-USSR countries woman than westerners (Ukranian, Armenians, Uzbek, etc).
There are few other stereotypes that I found rather sexist that I prefer not to share here.
 
That theory seems pretty spot on, but can you explain why Asian male, white female is an uncommon relationship even in places where the two may be economic peers? It's a pretty rare interracial relationship, not unheard of but still less common than say black male, white female or white male, Asian female.

My suspicion is simply that Asian men on average are not tall enough. Height is the single biggest predictor of a woman's attraction for a man(yes Puspa, I know you disagree and love short men!), too tall or too short are huge turn offs bigger than baldness or obesity. Since the average Indonesian man is about as tall as the average Western woman it's a major selective hurdle to overcome.

It's interesting how common it is for white men to objectify Asian women and adhere to certain stereotypes about them. Granted, I am among those white men who married an Asian woman...

This great documentary touches on this issue.

http://www.seekingasianfemale.com/

I've recommended it before, but it's worth revisiting because I think it's of interest to a lot of people on this forum. I watched it with my wife and we were AMAZED by the way these men handled their relationships with their wives/girlfriends. It also made us question our relationship. Did we get together solely because we were in love with the person we met, or did we each have some baggage about the other before we even met? My wife and I are the same age, we met in school, so we are a little different from a lot of those mixed marriages. However, my wife was obsessed with English language media and boy bands from a young age. She's always seen herself with someone outside her ethnicity.

I'd never dated an Asian before, man or woman, but I was looking for someone who shared my religious values. Did I marry my wife because she's an observant woman, did I secretly harbor some desire for someone more "traditional" than I am?

It's a fun exercise to consider the external factors, I'm sure they exist even in racially endogamous relationships.

Well, the physical aspect seems obvious now. I sorta forgot that the average Indo man is short relative to the average western woman. I'm only reminded that I'm above the average height when I'm in Indo, here I'm just a bit shorter than average, and still taller than most women.
 
At the risk of sounding sexist... might it be because you are a woman? In my simplistic way I think you, being female, might be more likely to partake in activities which are more likely to have female participants. Some unfortunately stereotypical examples are: parenting groups, amateur arts groups, and charitable organizations. Sorry for the generalizations... I know they may not apply.

Not sexist at all! I agree - because I'm female, I tend to have more female friends. Hence some of them might be bules married to Indonesians. But, by the same token, my Indonesian female friends might be married to bules.
 
Not sexist at all! I agree - because I'm female, I tend to have more female friends. Hence some of them might be bules married to Indonesians. But, by the same token, my Indonesian female friends might be married to bules.

I also assumed you had a higher (than average) percentage of bules in that higher percentage of female friends. I know there is no reason to combine these two categories, but it sure makes this logic train run more smoothly. Just a random, seemingly obvious, thought that is apparently difficult for me to type out intelligently.
 
I also assumed you had a higher (than average) percentage of bules in that higher percentage of female friends. I know there is no reason to combine these two categories, but it sure makes this logic train run more smoothly. Just a random, seemingly obvious, thought that is apparently difficult for me to type out intelligently.

It's true that my closest female friends in Jakarta are fellow expats. If I were younger and more idealistic this would bother me more - "what's the point of living abroad if aren't friends with the locals?!?" - but I recognize that deep friendships are based on certain commonalities of attitude and experience, not to mention roughly similar abilities to communicate in whatever language you share. This can certainly happen across nationalities, and it does - I have no trouble thinking of Indonesians I consider true friends - but it does create barriers. So in my old age I have elected to shrug and not punish myself for having primarily foreign friends.
 
Hilarious !

His ayam doesn't seem to love him though.
 
Just wanted to add a little something, my husband is Indonesian and from a matriarcal society/culture. The sisters inherit and have their own money and property. He is also taller than me for what its worth (I'm 1.73m) and the women in his family are around my height.
Just saying Indonesia is a very big and diverse place is all and what's try in Java doesn't apply outside.
 

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