Back as an upper-middle income country, but will Indonesia be trapped there?

[Helpful Herbert]

Foreign Tourist Rp150,000 Levy to Bali Implemented in February 2024

The levy for foreign tourists will be regulated in the Draft Regional Regulation on Charges for Foreign Tourists for the Protection of Bali's

indonesiaexpat.id

Anyone know how they define foreign tourist? Would people on kitap\kitas be included?

 

[harryopal1]

Foreign Tourist Rp150,000 Levy to Bali Implemented in February 2024

The levy for foreign tourists will be regulated in the Draft Regional Regulation on Charges for Foreign Tourists for the Protection of Bali's

indonesiaexpat.id

Anyone know how they define foreign tourist? Would people on kitap\kitas be included?

This should help create a bit of chaos at entry points. When people arrive not knowing that there is this fee they will want to argue the point. So much depends on how efficiently a process of forewarning is established. And if they haven't cash in hand? Processing payments for a busload arriving from Jakarta or non speaking tourists at the airport?

Australia and I suppose many other countries which have an entry fee include the tax in the flight charges. Wouldn't it be simpler to just raise the costs of visas? But then not everyone travelling to Indonesia visits Bali.

 

[centurion]

Australia and I suppose many other countries which have an entry fee include the tax in the flight charges. Wouldn't it be simpler to just raise the costs of visas? But then not everyone travelling to Indonesia visits Bali.

Airlines refused to collect this fee, as it includes excesive administration.

 

[Samoerai]

Foreign Tourist Rp150,000 Levy to Bali Implemented in February 2024

The levy for foreign tourists will be regulated in the Draft Regional Regulation on Charges for Foreign Tourists for the Protection of Bali's

indonesiaexpat.id

Anyone know how they define foreign tourist? Would people on kitap\kitas be included?

I thought one of the benefits of a Kitas or Kitap is that one pays entrance fees same as local people entering tourist's attractions. I read that somewhere. I would expect Kitas or Kitap holders no need to pay levies for entering Bali.

 

[Nimbus]

I thought one of the benefits of a Kitas or Kitap is that one pays entrance fees same as local people entering tourist's attractions. I read that sonewhere. I would expect Kitas or Kitap holders no need to pay levies for entering Bali.

I think they will enforce it through the ID you hold. If you fly in with a foreign passport, then you’d be marked as a tourist subject to the fee. If you show a KTP then you should be exempt.

This being a Pemda initiative, it will likely be chaotic for the first months. They will have to set up an internal immigration gate at every entry port in Bali, where they check everybody’s ID and charge accordingly. It sounds like a logistical nightmare to me.

It’s also possible that they’re taking the easy road and simply charge tourists flying directly to Bali from a foreign country. It would just be an extra $10 on top of the VoA.

 

[snpark]

Or they just charge $10 airport tax

 

[centurion]

Or they just charge $10 airport tax

Airport tax goes to the state (Angkasa Pura company) and it is in the ticket alredy.

 

[snpark]

I mean another $10 for tourism tax etc

 

[pantaiema]

Anyone know how they define foreign tourist? Would people on kitap\kitas be included?

It is extremely unlike if the Indonesian Authorities are still consistent and using their common sense. KITAS / KITAP in any countries and languages are a type of Residency. It is a different purposes than tourism.

foreign tourist Definition | Law Insider

Define foreign tourist. means tourist who is not an Indian Citizen.

www.lawinsider.com

It is also written in "Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia (KBBI)" which is the most reliable dictionary for the Indonesian language as it is published by the "Badan Pengembangan dan Pembinaan Bahasa (Badan Bahasa)", which is an agency under the Ministry of Education and Culture of Indonesia. Also KBBI is frequently referred in the Indonesian court.

https://kbbi.lektur.id/wisatawan-asing

Wisatawan Asing (Foreign tourists)
1. Wisatawan yang berasal dari luar negeri/ (A tourist coming from abroad)
2. Wisatawan mancanegara. (An International tourists).

This is also official definition used by the national statistical office of Indonesia (BPS), used to collect data of tourists.

Badan Pusat Statistik

Website Badan Pusat Statistik.

www.bps.go.id

"Wisatawan Mancanegara adalah setiap pengunjung yang mengunjungi suatu negara di luar tempat tinggalnya (outside their residence), didorong oleh satu atau beberapa keperluan tanpa bermaksud memperoleh penghasilan di tempat yang dikunjungi dan lamanya kunjungan tersebut tidak lebih dari 12 (dua belas) bulan.. Definisi ini mencakup dua kategori wisatawan mancanegara, yaitu: wisatawan dan pelancong.

1. Wisatawan (Tourist) adalah setiap pengunjung seperti definisi wisatawan mancanegara, yang tinggal paling sedikit 24 jam, akan tetapi tidak lebih dari 12 bulan di tempat yang dikunjungi, dengan antara lain berlibur/rekreasi, olahraga,bisnis, menghadiri pertemuan, studi, dan kunjungan dengan alasan kesehatan;
2. Pelancong (Excursionist) adalah setiap pengunjung seperti definisi wisatawan mancanegara, yang tinggal kurang dari 24 jam di tempat yang dikunjungi, termasuk cruise passengers. Cruise Passengers yaitu setiap pengunjung yang tiba di suatu negara dengan kapal atau kereta api, dimana mereka tidak menginap di akomodasi yang tersedia di negara tersebut)."

 

[Samoerai]

I think they will enforce it through the ID you hold. If you fly in with a foreign passport, then you’d be marked as a tourist subject to the fee. If you show a KTP then you should be exempt.

This being a Pemda initiative, it will likely be chaotic for the first months. They will have to set up an internal immigration gate at every entry port in Bali, where they check everybody’s ID and charge accordingly. It sounds like a logistical nightmare to me.

It’s also possible that they’re taking the easy road and simply charge tourists flying directly to Bali from a foreign country. It would just be an extra $10 on top of the VoA.

On top of that ..

Ferry customers with crossing routes to Bali must be prepared to pay more because the ferry fares will increase starting from the 3rd of August, 2023. The increase in ferry fares is planned to reach around 5.93% from the previous fares.

One of the reasons for the increase in ferry crossing rates is the impact of rising fuel prices. Apart from that, the price of ship spare parts is also one of the reasons.

Next are the plane tickets.

 

[pantaiema]

This should help create a bit of chaos at entry points. When people arrive not knowing that there is this fee they will want to argue the point. So much depends on how efficiently a process of forewarning is established. And if they haven't cash in hand? Processing payments for a busload arriving from Jakarta or non speaking tourists at the airport?

In addition to this, there are more than ten millions of people, local and international tourist per annum travelling/crossing to Bali. Are they able to control, Domestic, International airport, Land Crossing, Ferry ports, etc making sure that the revenue will come back to the Indonesian Government??

 

[Samoerai]

I think we are on a tipping point here where artificial intelligence, robots, online programms etc. can be a "plus" in educating students.

When I was a student, I had to learn everything from books and attending college.

When I watch videos now, on youtube, on the subjects I once studied, I am amazed how nowadays the teachers could / can explain the stuff much better, supported by tons of animations and taped expirements and so.

Also, a cooperation (or like Will Smith's wife phrase "entanglement") between universities and industry is a "plus" in educating and motivating students. I got a much better understanding of the theory, once put in practice. In Eindhoven (home town of Phillips) there is already a tight connection between university and industry and support in "start ups" to put innovations in practice.

I am retired now and with my knowledge (e.g. about how to model a businesscase and calculate or how to analyse datasets based on statistic tool R to see if there’s a correlation between variables). I could teach students the cream of the crop of new methods. But then again I see artificial Intelligence doing a pretty good job in explaining this stuff also.

Harvard’s new computer science teacher is a chatbot

Students enrolled in the university’s flagship CS50 course will be presented with the AI teacher in September

www.independent.co.uk

 

[pantaiema]

Harvard’s new computer science teacher is a chatbot

Students enrolled in the university’s flagship CS50 course will be presented with the AI teacher in September

www.independent.co.uk

TBH some people who study at top universities such as Harvard, MIT, Cambridge, Stanford, Oxfords, Imperial College, etc especially in computer science program, they do not need teachers. Let alone to be taught by chatbot teachers powered by AI. With so many information is now available for free on the internet, they could do self study and find out themselves if they have interest. These people have different types of genes compared to ordinary people. They are wired differently.

Take for example Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, they do not even finish their studies at Harvard. The people like Jack Dorsey (Twitter Co-founder), John McAfee (McAfee founder) do not even study at a university.

Some people who have big contributions to the computer science, web such as Tim Berners-Lee do not study computer science, Informatics. Similarly, many hackers, apps developers do not study computer sciences or Informatics.

AI will certainly change the way people learn. In the past if people want to learn a foreign language and want to spell it precisely, accurately they will need to learn phonetics (IPA) first. Learning phonetics alphabets takes an awful a lot of time. But nowadays, arguably it is no longer needed by ordinary people as the people could hear/watch on how the sound is produced directly from dictionary powered by AI chatbot. They could even read the whole text for you.

 

[Samoerai]

TBH some people who study at top universities such as Harvard, MIT, Cambridge, Stanford, Oxfords, etc especially in computer science program, they do not need teachers. Let alone to be taught by chatbot teachers powered by AI. With so many information is now available for free on the internet, they could do self study and find out themselves if they have interest. These people have different types of genes compared to ordinary people. They are wired differently.

Take for example Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, they do not even finish their studies at Harvard. The people like Jack Dorsey (Twitter Co-founder), John McAfee (McAfee founder) do not event study at university.

Some people who have big contribution to the computer science, web such as Tim Berners-Lee do not study computer science. Many hackers, apps developers do not study computer sciences.

Well, everybody makes mistakes, also the genious ones. So, the AI can help de-bugging code .. would be a big help.

 

[flavus]

Well, everybody makes mistakes, also the genious ones. So, the AI can help de-bugging code .. would be a big help.

that's actually about the only thing I trust it to (apart from not-so-serious tasks like generating meme images). Asking an AI to generate code snippets, at least you can test the output whether it makes sense or not.

When it generates a narrative - even if it comes with links it can summarize them incorrectly (or even blatantly lie -- sorry, "hallucinate" /s) so I see it as part of the depressing continuing slide into factlessness -- social media faux news round N+1.

 

[harryopal1]

This morning I asked Bard AI what the exchange rate for the Aust $ and it said, "As of July 27, 2023, 22:27 UTC, the exchange rate for Australian dollars to IDR on Westpac Australia's website is 1 AUD = 15,562.00 IDR."

I replied and said that was wrong and got this response. "You are correct. The exchange rate I provided for Westpac Australia was incorrect. As of July 27, 2023, 22:28 UTC, the exchange rate for Australian dollars to IDR on Westpac Australia's website is 1 AUD = 10041.35 IDR. This means that 1 Australian dollar is worth 10,041.35 Indonesian rupiah.

I apologize for the error. I am still under development and learning to be more accurate. I will try my best to provide you with the correct information in the future."

Well at least it is more polite than many humans.

 

[snpark]

Reminds me once in uk I booked a ticket to Perth and thought it was cheap. It was to Scotland. Not Australia.

 

[centurion]

Reminds me once in uk I booked a ticket to Perth and thought it was cheap. It was to Scotland. Not Australia.

Did you go?

 

[snpark]

Ended up in Paris. Texas

 

[Bob]

Reminds me once in uk I booked a ticket to Perth and thought it was cheap. It was to Scotland. Not Australia.

Should have specified Puhth and not Payrth.