Aviation info.

[jstar]

It never seems to stop, the bad news about that plane (and the company).

 

[Bob]

Boeing 737 MAX incidents recently;

Southwest Airlines, April and May 2024

Boeing 737 MAX 8s under investigation following 'Dutch Roll' and near-miss over Pacific

The US National Transportation Safety Board is also investigating why another Boeing 737 MAX 8 "rolled" during a flight last month.

www.abc.net.au

Korean Air and Malaysia Airlines, June 2024

Korean Air, Malaysia Airlines flights disrupted by pressurization problems

A Korean Air flight to Taiwan was forced to return to Incheon airport west of Seoul after a sudden depressurization on the plane, a Boeing 737 Max 8

abcnews.go.com

Avoid flying 737 MAX, if possible.

Boeing is certainly having their problems. But a lot of what's in the news has little to nothing to do with Boeing.
Your linked articles are about a 737 and an A330. Why dodge Boeing for a problem on an Airbus or vice versa?
Pressurization equipment isn't made by the airframers (e.g. Boeing) but by OEMs. There are several possible sources of such problems so there's no way for us to assign blame as of now.
Are you somehow qualified to make the recommendation to not fly the 737 Max?

 

[Balifrog]

Boeing is certainly having their problems. But a lot of what's in the news has little to nothing to do with Boeing.
Your linked articles are about a 737 and an A330. Why dodge Boeing for a problem on an Airbus and vice versa?
Pressurization equipment isn't made by the airframers (e.g. Boeing) but by OEMs. There are several possible sources of such problems so there's no way for us to assign blame as of now.
Are you somehow qualified to make the recommendation to not fly the 737 Max?

two 737MAX becoming uncontrolable and crashing because of a software problem are a reason enough for me to have doubt about Boeing's Quality Control... add to that a door falling of !

And denying the truth as long as possible doesn't improve their case....

So, yes I will stay off it !

 

[fastpitch17]

Stuck on the Space Station now.

 

[Dave70]

Boeing is certainly having their problems. But a lot of what's in the news has little to nothing to do with Boeing.
Your linked articles are about a 737 and an A330. Why dodge Boeing for a problem on an Airbus and vice versa?
Pressurization equipment isn't made by the airframers (e.g. Boeing) but by OEMs. There are several possible sources of such problems so there's no way for us to assign blame as of now.
Are you somehow qualified to make the recommendation to not fly the 737 Max?

My bad, one of the four incidents involved an Airbus.

I’m no expert, but I am aware of the news.

 

[Dave70]

Just in from CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/26/business/boeing-whistleblower-787/index.html

10 years ago, Al Jazeera already reported about quality problems at Boeing factory (also allegations of on-the-job drug use and poor workmanship). So much so that some Boeing workers would not fly on the plane they assembled.

 

[Bob]

two 737MAX becoming uncontrolable and crashing because of a software problem are a reason enough for me to have doubt about Boeing's Quality Control... add to that a door falling of !

And denying the truth as long as possible doesn't improve their case....

So, yes I will stay off it !

I wouldn't disagree with your decision. At least you're basing that on relevant factors.

 

[Bob]

My bad, one of the four incidents involved an Airbus.

I’m no expert, but I am aware of the news.

That's a good video.

 

[Balifrog]

Just in from CNN.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/26/business/boeing-whistleblower-787/index.html

10 years ago, Al Jazeera already reported about quality problems at Boeing factory (also allegations of on-the-job drug use and poor workmanship). So much so that some Boeing workers would not fly on the plane they assembled.

Yep, I saw that video some time ago.

You could add that several whistle blowers at Boeing were sacked, and one suddenly died the day he had a meeting with the press...

 

[jstar]

I always wondered what the Europeans had to gain by the Qatari support and bribes. Now I understand.

 

[Pak Tani]

Yep, I saw that video some time ago.

You could add that several whistle blowers at Boeing were sacked, and one suddenly died the day he had a meeting with the press...

2 whistleblowers died recently, one suicide and one from a fast spreading infection.
In the meantime, 32.000 workers for Boeing got a 1% salary increase in the last 8 years while the CEO got a 45% increase last year and makes 33 million a year.
At least someone is living The Dream.

 

[jstar]

Not completely fair, they are doing something. CEO Dave Calhoun will step down at the end of this year. (His predecessor, Dennis Muilenburg, was already sacked for his handling of the aftermath of the 737 Max crashes.) Stan Deal, CEO of the commercial airplane unit, was kicked out, effective immediately. And last but not least, Chairman of the board Larry Kellner won't stand for reelection this year. So there’s a big management shakeup.

 

[Balifrog]

Not completely fair, they are doing something. CEO Dave Calhoun will step down at the end of this year. (His predecessor, Dennis Muilenburg, was already sacked for his handling of the aftermath of the 737 Max crashes.) Stan Deal, CEO of the commercial airplane unit, was kicked out, effective immediately. And last but not least, Chairman of the board Larry Kellner won't stand for reelection this year. So there’s a big management shakeup.

Hundreds of people died but nobody went in jail...
The guys leaving or being sacked will easily find a new job.

 

[jstar]

The question is always where the bus ends. According to a certain philosophy taken to the extreme, a Macron should be guilty and go to jail for traffic violations in Marseille or attacks on Jews and parishes.

This is has the potential of becoming similar to dieselgate where the top of Volkswagen is prosecuted.

 

[Balifrog]

The question is always where the bus ends. According to a certain philosophy taken to the extreme, a Macron should be guilty and go to jail for traffic violations in Marseille or attacks on Jews and parishes.

This is has the potential of becoming similar to dieselgate where the top of Volkswagen is prosecuted.

The President can not be persecuted while in office. Later yes, see Sarkozy !

VW was prosecuted by the US because it's a foreign company.
Meanwhile Ford and GM continue to build pickups with V6 / V8 engines....

 

[Bob]

The President can not be persecuted while in office. Later yes, see Sarkozy !

VW was prosecuted by the US because it's a foreign company.
Meanwhile Ford and GM continue to build pickups with V6 / V8 engines....

A sitting President can be prosecuted for criminal offenses in the US. It just hasn't happened yet.
I see you were referring to France.

 

[jstar]

At least twelve passengers became so ill on board a Delta flight from Detroit to Amsterdam that the plane had to make a stopover. Paramedics from the New York Fire Department (FDNY) checked them out.

The Delta Air Lines aircraft was on its way to the Netherlands with 277 passengers when it had to turn around over Canada after almost three hours of flying, according to data from aircraft trackers. The plane landed an hour later at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, where emergency services took care of the sick.

Delta said in a statement that “some of the food on board the flight was spoiled.” The airline says that this is "not the service that Delta is known for", according to New York news channel ABC 7. The authorities in New York stated that a total of 24 people were ill, from who 10 crew members.

That final sentence is somewhat intriguing, isn’t it?

 

[jstar]

There is a new player in the airline business: BBN Airlines Indonesia has officially gotten the license to fly in Indonesia, it began serving passengers on September 27, 2024.

The airline serves the Jakarta-Surabaya route. Also, the Jakarta-Balikpapan route will start operating today. The airline will also fly the Jakarta-Denpasar route starting 2 October 2, All three routes are served 7 times per week.

 

[jstar]

They were as part of a group already active in the cargo world, now it’s been extended to commercial passenger flights. BBN Airlines Indonesia has three Boeing 737-800 for those passenger flights next to the three cargo planes, they aim to have 40 planes by 2027.

 

[centurion]

I wouldn't disagree with your decision. At least you're basing that on relevant factors.

Too many DEI training sessions.