Are you effected by the Flood in Jakarta Today

[pantaiema]

As I said before in another thread .. be flexible .. sell your property in Jakarta and prepare to move when the tough gets going.

What about if Anies Baswedan win the election and his radical supporters start pushing their agendas??

Wait this guy to become a president we will all learn to swim across Indonesia.

Well it could turn to be a great idea if people were allowed to swim with thongs, bikinis or play water polo similar to "Intan culess" and other Indonesian YT channels in these very large public swimming pools. Indonesia might have a great number of swimmers, triathlon athletes, swim suit models.

 

[Samoerai]

What about if Anies Baswedan win the election and his radical supporters start pushing their agendas??

Run! I guess, but who will run first?

 

[Samoerai]

Anies Baswedan built reasonable number of infiltration wells when he was the Governor of Jakarta. In his era as the governor of Jakarta. Some of these infiltration wells were even built on the pavement.

Mengapa Sumur Resapan di Era Anies Bermasalah? Saksi Sebut Sering Sebabkan Kecelakaan

Ada lima insiden kecelakaan akibat sumur resapan yang disaksikan juru parkir di kawasan Lebak Bulus. Beruntung, insiden tersebut tidak berujung fatal.

megapolitan.kompas.com

https://www.cnnindonesia.com/nasion...pan-anies-tak-efektif-atasi-banjir-boros-apbd Expert Criticizes Anies Infiltration Well: Not Effective in Dealing with Floods, Waste of money.

Ya Allah! ... the infiltration well in these videos are are of poor quality.

They have to use "heavy traffic concrete pits". The heavy traffic concrete pits are suitable where heavy traffic is expected: Industrial areas, agricultural companies, etc., but also on public roads. And one has to clean the pits on a regular base.

But it's actually a better idea to install these pits in front of the houses and connect them to the kanopi, so the water doesn't go straight to the 'gots'. In the Netherlands lots of houses have these pits connected to the gutters (btw gutters are very common in The Netherlands).

 

[Bob]

I don't think there are any other feasible options. Simply adding more channels, is there any space for them? Under the streets, yes but that will be a megaproject noone wants to burn his fingers on. And for how long will these channels function, since Jakarta is sinking:



It's easy to blame Anies for not dealing with it, but this problem is just so big.

And well (no pun intended) known for 50 years or more.

 

[Bob]

Have there not been swampy areas in Jakarta with functions similar to infiltration wells, but covering much larger areas, since ages? These areas in Jakarta are often identified by names starting with "rawa,". This could naturally served this purpose without the necessity for spending any money for additional ground excavation. Why is there a need to construct infiltration wells if such natural features could solve the problem ??

Anies Baswedan built reasonable number of infiltration wells when he was the Governor of Jakarta. In his era as the governor of Jakarta. Some of these infiltration wells were even built on the pavement.

Mengapa Sumur Resapan di Era Anies Bermasalah? Saksi Sebut Sering Sebabkan Kecelakaan

Ada lima insiden kecelakaan akibat sumur resapan yang disaksikan juru parkir di kawasan Lebak Bulus. Beruntung, insiden tersebut tidak berujung fatal.

megapolitan.kompas.com

https://www.cnnindonesia.com/nasion...pan-anies-tak-efektif-atasi-banjir-boros-apbd Expert Criticizes Anies Infiltration Well: Not Effective in Dealing with Floods, Waste of money.

But do people need an expert opinion if general observation that could be done by everyone will do the job. What happen thereafter worse or better ?? Did this approach effectively address the problem?. Also how come a few infiltration wells of this size (See the image below) could take more than a week of torrential rains covering such a large areas of Metropolitan Jakarta which might also get added by flash flooding from other regions.

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He is advocating an idea that closely resembles the concept of Infiltration wells in the Middle East, which effectively manage water in arid regions with scarce rainfall. Probably because he was following the advise from his scientists who are spending more time in middle east politics, preaching rather than expand their knowledge in science. It does not need a genius to realise that Infiltration wells in arid areas, desserts areas will work well to harvest and absorb the excess water from the rain. But Jakarta especially during monsoon and its torrential rains is not a dessert. While it is expected to absorb the excess water it turns to become a very large public swimming pools.

Anies and his fervent supporters, particularly the more extreme ones who consider religion is above the constitution, seem to favour adopting ideas from the Middle East without adequately considering the distinct ethnics, beliefs, cultures, environmental differences between the two regions.

Regarding the bolded text 'Have there not...?': No they haven't, since 'have' indicates they still exist. They were built over long ago, which is a big part of the problem and necessitates other solutions.

 

[pantaiema]

Ya Allah! ... the infiltration well in these videos are are of poor quality.

They have to use "heavy traffic concrete pits". The heavy traffic concrete pits are suitable where heavy traffic is expected: Industrial areas, agricultural companies, etc., but also on public roads. And one has to clean the pits on a regular base.

But it's actually a better idea to install these pits in front of the houses and connect them to the kanopi, so the water doesn't go straight to the 'gots'. In the Netherlands lots of houses have these pits connected to the gutters (btw gutters are very common in The Netherlands).

Given the local culture and the common practice of cutting costs, lack of environmental awareness, it wouldn't be shocking if individuals are covertly using it as a free septic tank, to save space in their home, linking their toilets to what is this known as Anies' Infiltration Wells.

Just picture a situation where the flood combines with human human excrement, feces/poos, urines, and other contaminated water, and residents are compelled to navigate and reside in those areas due to a lack of other alternatives.

 

[snpark]

Then add poisonous snakes, crocs, pythons etc

 

[Samoerai]

Just picture a situation where the flood combines with human human excrement, feces/poos, urines, and other contaminated water, and residents are compelled to navigate and reside in those areas due to a lack of other alternatives.

No difference with the current situation when 'ada banjir'.

 

[fastpitch17]

No difference with the current situation when 'ada banjir'.

Yep, flood waters in Indonesia are ripe with typhoid and hepatitis.

 

[Bob]

Yep, flood waters in Indonesia are ripe with typhoid and hepatitis.

Those kids in the OP video are going to have indestructible immune systems if they survive this month.

 

[pantaiema]

Those kids in the OP video are going to have indestructible immune systems if they survive this month.

Well, but there is evidence it works to some degrees in boosting immune system with such lifestyle. Have you observed how street food vendors clean the dirty dishes and utensils? It is very rare they get a runny water supply. So what they do, they frequently immerse them in the same bucket of water, and then dry them up with towels that have been used multiple times. Numerous Indonesians have meals at such establishments without experiencing illness, whereas individuals unaccustomed to these practices may risk contracting diarrhoea or Bali belly.

It is not just for less educated people, as numerous Indonesian students likely have experienced dining at these street food vendors, especially since they are often abundant around university accommodations in the city and less expensive in comparison to "warung" or restaurants.

 

[Bob]

Well, but there is evidence it works to some degrees in boosting immune system with such lifestyle. Have you observed how street food vendors clean the dirty dishes and utensils? It is very rare they get a runny water supply. So what they do, they frequently immerse them in the same bucket of water, and then dry them up with towels that have been used multiple times. Numerous Indonesians have meals at such establishments without experiencing illness, whereas individuals unaccustomed to these practices may risk contracting diarrhoea or Bali belly.

It is not just for less educated people, as numerous Indonesian students likely have experienced dining at these street food vendors, especially since they are often abundant around university accommodations in the city and less expensive in comparison to "warung" or restaurants.

I was serious.