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Does anyone know where to find an Indonesian dictionary, an Indonesian-English Dictionary for Indonesian language learners with International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) transcriptions?

A dictionary with IPA transcriptions can reduce someone's dependency on native speakers when learning how to accurately pronounce words. I have seen a few times when non-native pronounce indonesian words like "begitu", "mengapa", "Ancol", it sounds odd.

I have noticed in many cases that non-native Indonesian speakers pronounce words with the letter/alphabet "e" as /e/, e.g it sounds like /e/ in IPA without realising it. While I am not a linguistic expert, I believe that in the Indonesian language, many words with "e" sound more closely to /ɜː/ for long vowels or /ə/ (e.g schwa) for short vowels. "c" in Indonesian language sounds like /tʃ/ in IPA, not /k/

I have browsed the official Indonesian language dictionary, "Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia," which is available here:

https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/

However, this dictionary does not provide phonetic information.

Does anyone know of a good Indonesian language dictionary with IPA transcriptions?
 
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It seems to me they have English IPA transcription for english words, not the Indonesian words.
Indonesian language dictionary with IPA transcription is what I am looking for.

bullock | Meaning of bullock in Dictionaryfirst.com, Robby Lou's Learner's English-Indonesian Dictionary

Dictionaryfirst | Robby Lou's Learner's English-Indonesian Dictionary
dictionaryfirst.com dictionaryfirst.com


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Similarly when a non native english speakers learn english as a foreign language they might use this dictionary
dictionary.cambridge.org

LEARN | Pronunciation in English

LEARN pronunciation. How to say LEARN. Listen to the audio pronunciation in English. Learn more.
dictionary.cambridge.org dictionary.cambridge.org

There is IPA transcription so people do not rely on native speaker presence to be able to pronounce the word correctly. I am looking similar to this but for Indonesian dictionary.

Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia is a standard Indonesian dictionary, but it does not have IPA transcription. A dictionary with IPA transcriptions can reduce someone's dependency on native speakers to pronounce words accurately when learning a new language. Also it is a record for a standard pronunciation to be used by new generations.
 
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pantaiema said:
Does anyone know where to find an Indonesian dictionary, an Indonesian-English Dictionary for Indonesian language learners with International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) transcriptions?

A dictionary with IPA transcriptions can reduce someone's dependency on native speakers when learning how to accurately pronounce words. That is why when they pronounce the words like "begitu", "mengapa", "Ancol" will sound odd to the Indonesian native speakers.

I have noticed in many cases that non-native Indonesian speakers pronounce words with the letter/alphabet "e" as /e/, e.g it sounds like /e/ in IPA without realising it. While I am not a linguistic expert, I believe that in the Indonesian language, many words with "e" sound more closely to /ɜː/ for long vowels or /ə/ (e.g schwa) for short vowels. "c" in Indonesian language sounds like /tʃ/ in IPA, not /k/

I have browsed the official Indonesian language dictionary, "Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia," which is available here:

https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/

However, this dictionary does not provide phonetic information.

Does anyone know of a good Indonesian language dictionary with IPA transcriptions?
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A paper dictionary? Google translate has a button, so one can listen to the words. I use an app called VOClab Indonesia to learn bahasa Indonesia, including the audio button.

VOClab

www.voclab.com www.voclab.com
 
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A paper dictionary? Google translate has a button, so one can listen to the words. I use an app called VOClab Indonesia to learn bahasa Indonesia, including the audio button.

VOClab

www.voclab.com www.voclab.com
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It is more about how to produce the sounds accurately. Yes, there are a few apps with sounds and translations so you can hear them. However, they do not tell you how to produce the sound.

I am looking something like this but for Indonesian dictionary:
dictionary.cambridge.org

Cambridge Dictionary | English Dictionary, Translations & Thesaurus

The most popular dictionary and thesaurus for learners of English. Meanings and definitions of words with pronunciations and translations.
dictionary.cambridge.org dictionary.cambridge.org

They have sounds, but they also have the IPA transcription

When producing a sound in any language, how it sounds will depend on the position of your tongue in your mouth (height, low, front, back, touching, not touching your teeth, etc), the shape of your lips (rounded/unrounded, tenseness), and how wide you need to drop your jaw which is also automatically reflected on how wide you open your mouth. How to vibrate your vocal cords.

If you get this information right, everyone will essentially produce the same sounds, similar to native speakers, allowing for only a tiny tolerance. IPA transcription provides this information for any language. There are a few linguistics professors in Oxford and Cambridge who teach French at the university. They speak French like natives even though French is not their native language (based on people's comments). They can do this because they study how to produce the sounds.
 
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did you find one? is it the Javanese pronunciation?
 
pantaiema said:
Does anyone know where to find an Indonesian dictionary, an Indonesian-English Dictionary for Indonesian language learners with International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) transcriptions?

A dictionary with IPA transcriptions can reduce someone's dependency on native speakers when learning how to accurately pronounce words. I have seen a few times when non-native pronounce indonesian words like "begitu", "mengapa", "Ancol", it sounds odd.

I have noticed in many cases that non-native Indonesian speakers pronounce words with the letter/alphabet "e" as /e/, e.g it sounds like /e/ in IPA without realising it. While I am not a linguistic expert, I believe that in the Indonesian language, many words with "e" sound more closely to /ɜː/ for long vowels or /ə/ (e.g schwa) for short vowels. "c" in Indonesian language sounds like /tʃ/ in IPA, not /k/

I have browsed the official Indonesian language dictionary, "Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia," which is available here:

https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/

However, this dictionary does not provide phonetic information.

Does anyone know of a good Indonesian language dictionary with IPA transcriptions?
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Try George Quinn's Learner's Dictionary of Indonesian. Additionally, Indonesian Online has hundreds of voice-supported electronic flashcards. Check out Indonesian online at https://indonesian-online.com
 
ukozok said:
Try George Quinn's Learner's Dictionary of Indonesian. Additionally, Indonesian Online has hundreds of voice-supported electronic flashcards. Check out Indonesian online at https://indonesian-online.com
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Thanks, I've just looked through the sample page on Amazon. It appears that George is not using an IPA transcription. Instead, he provides stressed syllables. The pronunciation between slanting lines is not in IPA but rather indicates how it should be pronounced as if it were an English word. But at least it is a good effort to start with.

The issue with translation tools such as "Google Translate" and similar apps is that while they allow users to listen to the pronunciation, they lack guidance on how to produce those sounds.

It is quite surprising that the official Indonesian language dictionary, "Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia," accessible at:

https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/

does not provide phonetic Information. Phonetic information, particularly the use of the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA), is a record for preserving the standard pronunciation of a language across generations. It ensures that the new generation will produce the same pronunciation as the older generation.
 
pantaiema said:
Thanks, I've just looked through the sample page on Amazon. It appears that George is not using an IPA transcription. Instead, he provides stressed syllables. The pronunciation between slanting lines is not in IPA but rather indicates how it should be pronounced as if it were an English word. But at least it is a good effort to start with.

The issue with translation tools such as "Google Translate" and similar apps is that while they allow users to listen to the pronunciation, they lack guidance on how to produce those sounds.

It is quite surprising that the official Indonesian language dictionary, "Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia," accessible at:

https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/

does not provide phonetic Information. Phonetic information, particularly the use of the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA), is a record for preserving the standard pronunciation of a language across generations. It ensures that the new generation will produce the same pronunciation as the older generation.
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For a guy that spends eternity on the internet so he can come here and paste things trying to prove others are always wrong or how you search better and then wants to argue someone else's apple is not red because your crimson is right, I suggest you go find your own answers.
 
Hardly fair FP. P hasn't asked a question, rather remarked on an apparent deficiency in the Kamus, not unrelated to the thread.
 
pantaiema said:
Thanks, I've just looked through the sample page on Amazon. It appears that George is not using an IPA transcription. Instead, he provides stressed syllables. The pronunciation between slanting lines is not in IPA but rather indicates how it should be pronounced as if it were an English word. But at least it is a good effort to start with.

The issue with translation tools such as "Google Translate" and similar apps is that while they allow users to listen to the pronunciation, they lack guidance on how to produce those sounds.

It is quite surprising that the official Indonesian language dictionary, "Kamus Besar Bahasa Indonesia," accessible at:

https://kbbi.kemdikbud.go.id/

does not provide phonetic Information. Phonetic information, particularly the use of the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA), is a record for preserving the standard pronunciation of a language across generations. It ensures that the new generation will produce the same pronunciation as the older generation.
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Actually, they do. In KBBI, it is clearly indicated whether the letter e is pronounced as Schwa /ǝ/ or as /e/. The former is written ê as in belum, and the latter is indicated by e as in the word rela. As for all other vowels and consonants Indonesian has a very phonetic alphabet, and hence an IPA transcription would be superfluous. If you want to know how each letter of the alphabet resembles the IPA format, look at https://indonesian-online.com/courses/tiw/lessons/lesson-1/ (scroll down to "The schwa in Indonesian').
 
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