Indonesia & Corruption: a few articles in the past few weeks

[pantaiema]

Another new mega corruption case involving the Agricultural Minister,

This guy has been officially arrested. IDR13.9

Syahrul Yasin Limpo Resmi Ditahan, KPK: Uang Rp 13,9 Miliar Dipakai untuk Keperluan Pribadi

Syahrul Yasin Limpo keluar mengenakan rompi tahanan KPK, Jumat (13/10/2023) malam. Sebelumnya, Syahrul ditetapkan tersangka dugaan pemerasan dan penerimaan grat

www.kompas.tv

Government funds under his control amounting to Rp. 13.9 billion was used for personal needs.

 

[snpark]

13 billion. That's not much really
$1m US$ only?
Or the milliard billion thing

Either keep it small and drip it out
Or do one big one and then leave

 

[pantaiema]

13 billion. That's not much really
$1m US$ only?
Or the milliard billion thing

Either keep it small and drip it out
Or do one big one and then leave

IDR 13.9 billion is just the beginning, with the purpose of justifying his arrest, preventing the elimination of incriminating evidence, and preventing him to flee abroad. This information has been reported in another news. It is like opening a pandora box.

Prior to assuming the role of Minister of Agriculture, this individual had a substantial and enduring career in government. He previously held the position of Deputy Governor in South Sulawesi and subsequently served as the Governor of South Sulawesi province on two separate occasions. For an individual with such long serving in the government and later become a minister IDR 13.9 billion is a mere pittance. It might not be enough to buy a house in Pondok Indah, Kemang, Permata Hijau Area in Jakarta.

 

[Samoerai]

On Netflix ... the case of Jessica Wongso .. did she do it or not? According to the judges "yes".

Lot of talk about Jessica on social media. My wife says / expect / suspects that Jessica will be released from jail soon.

 

[pantaiema]

Kejaksaan Ungkap Pungli di Bandara Bali, Sita Duit Rp100 Juta

Kejaksaan Tinggi Bali mengungkap praktik pungutan liar terkait jalur fast track di Bandara Internasional I Gusti Ngurah Rai Bali.

www.cnbcindonesia.com

Allegations of corruption involving the misuse of the fast track, illegal levies, and extortion at Bali's International Airport have come to light. The suspected perpetrator is believed to be Immigration officers. These corrupt practices were uncovered during an unexpected inspection conducted by the Bali High Prosecutor's Office on November 15th. The examination revealed that an estimated Rp200 million per month has been illicitly collected.

Importantly, the inspection was carried out by the Bali High Prosecutor's Office, not the Immigration office, suggesting a potential institutional involvement, with the ill-gotten gains possibly being shared among those involved in the Immigration office.

Extorsion in Bali's International Airport was actually already reported by a Taiwanese a few months ago.

 

[pantaiema]

Another high profile Corruption case currently in the court. Lukas Enembe ex- Papua Governor, It is estimated IDR1T is corrupted. Some of his assets across Indonesia are seized.

Lukas Enembe is of Papuan ethnicity, and the ex-Governor of Papua was caught with cash amounting to Rp85b. This is just the cash, not the entire amount of money that has been corrupted, including funds squandered in casinos abroad.

In contrast to foot soldiers in the field are fighting separatism to maintain Indonesian integrity. Recently four Indonesian soldiers have died, and three others have sustained serious injuries.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

This guy has been officially arrested. IDR13.9

Syahrul Yasin Limpo Resmi Ditahan, KPK: Uang Rp 13,9 Miliar Dipakai untuk Keperluan Pribadi

Syahrul Yasin Limpo keluar mengenakan rompi tahanan KPK, Jumat (13/10/2023) malam. Sebelumnya, Syahrul ditetapkan tersangka dugaan pemerasan dan penerimaan grat

www.kompas.tv

Government funds under his control amounting to Rp. 13.9 billion was used for personal needs.

This guy and his brother are the richest guys in South Sulawesi (along with Josef Kalla). And you don't get to that position by being an honest businessman! The brother was jailed a while back. By the way he is also tiny, I saw him at an event and I would be surprised if he is even 5 foot tall.

 

[snpark]

Yes and since he's been arrested Lucas suddenly needs a wheelchair.

 

[pantaiema]

This guy and his brother are the richest guys in South Sulawesi (along with Josef Kalla). And you don't get to that position by being an honest businessman! The brother was jailed a while back. By the way he is also tiny, I saw him at an event and I would be surprised if he is even 5 foot tall.

The means through which individuals of this kind generate income in the business can be easily identified by the nature of their business ventures. They typically engage in specific sectors such as monopolies, importation, securing government contracts, particularly in construction projects involving the development of roads and office tower blocks' Acquiring government-owned wasteland being aware that the land's value is likely to appreciate in the future. This anticipation is based on their access to insider information or the authority to influence decisions related to the construction of infrastructure around these vacant areas.

Additionally, they serve as regular suppliers of various goods, including stationery, meals, and safety equipment, to both governmental bodies and large multinational corporations.

Another avenue they explore is obtaining concessions to exploit natural resources, encompassing mining activities for materials like nickel, copper, gold, oil, and gas. They are also involved in deforestation for valuable resources like teak woods, ebony timbers, plywoods, and pulps, which are subsequently replaced with palm oil, rubber plantations.

It's very rare to observe these individuals generating income through the creation of high-end products and services that could be exported and compete on the international stage and be marketed globally.

 

[harryopal1]

".....
It's rare to observe these individuals generating income through the creation of high-end products that could compete on the international stage and be marketed globally.

Or to be involved in project development where the locals get a genuine share of the exploitation of resources other than poorly paid and often dangerous jobs.

 

[kripik-pisang]

"Sentencing high ranking police for crimes is a great way to show that Indo is serious"

You really believe that bullshit? When Jokowi himself has just said that corruption is fine., just don't flaunt it and don't allow your children to flaunt it either. "If you can't resist buying your daughter that super expensive Balenciaga handbag don't allow her to parade around with it at a big public event where someone is going to photograph her and question where the money came from."
If he was in any way serious about corruption he would have said, we're going to investigate all these cases but he didn't. What he said was no different to saying, these people who gather evidence in the public interest need to have the strings removed from their bows.

 

[kripik-pisang]

When Jokowi told the police to stop overcharging for driving licenses. Their response was, "No, we won't stop. Keep your big political nose out of our little perks"
A nice little earner but not on the scale of Western banking/financial scams

 

[kripik-pisang]

I expect there to be corruption in any society, but not so open where everyone knows it is happening, but nothing is done.

So, you're still waiting confidently for the rich western countries to punish the bankers instead of using public money to bail them out.

 

[serious_fun]

So, you're still waiting confidently for the rich western countries to punish the bankers instead of using public money to bail them out.

I understand the temptation to resort to "whataboutism" because, as you point out, there is corruption all around the world. The ruling classes are usually corrupt - that's how their ancestors acquired their wealth, yes? This thread, however, is NOT about corruption and vice and degeneracy in the rest of the world. It's a thread about Indonesian corruption on a forum dedicated (mostly) to Indonesian issues.

Perhaps a thread could be started which discusses problems around the world?

 

[pantaiema]

"Sentencing high ranking police for crimes is a great way to show that Indo is serious"

It is better than doing nothing, isn't it ?? When aiming to put in jail influential figures such as high-ranking police general, powerful businessmen, and politicians, it's crucial to maintain a pristine record for yourself, given that these individuals possess substantial resources, networks and the ability to retaliate. Any hint of vulnerability could attract trouble from them.

You really believe that bullshit? WHEN JOKOWI HIMSELF HAS JUST SAID THAT CORRUPTION IS FINE.., just don't flaunt it and don't allow your children to flaunt it either. "If you can't resist buying your daughter that super expensive Balenciaga handbag don't allow her to parade around with it at a big public event where someone is going to photograph her and question where the money came from."
If he was in any way serious about corruption he would have said, we're going to investigate all these cases but he didn't. What he said was no different to saying, these people who gather evidence in the public interest need to have the strings removed from their bows.

While I don't generally support dynasty succession, in my opinion, it is undeniable that he has prosecuted a greater number of powerful individuals than all of his predecessors COMBINED.

I am not aware of this. Any link or video clip, footage come DIRECTLY FROM HIS MOUTH ???. It is not uncommon that someone statement is twisted in the press and/or the context related to why a person is saying that is also removed.

Let alone if there have been a lot of powerful people, people with power and money have been put in jail.

Now compared it with Prabowo Subianto. Where does all of his and his brother wealth is coming ?? Have you ever heard this statement ??
"Ente punya uang berapa" How much money do you have ?? Search it in this forum and/or google it. This statement directly came out from his mouth.

 

[pantaiema]

So, you're still waiting confidently for the rich western countries to punish the bankers instead of using public money to bail them out.

To initiate the analysis, it is advisable to explore the licensing, supervision, and bailout procedures of the banking systems in other nations countries with good banking systems drawing comparisons to the bailout of Indonesian banks, specifically in 1997.

The banking bail out in Indonesia during that era stands as a major contributor to the pervasive occurrence of mega corruption in the country.

This is not to deny that the benefit of bail out is typically better in comparison to the other visible alternatives. Contrast it with another option where confidence in the banking system erodes, leading to a mass withdrawal of funds. The bail out is always be converted to the government ownership of shares in the banks, financial institutions. If the banks make profit, the shareholders, e,g the taxpayers, get value for their money. Even it is just a breakeven it is already better than the other alternatives as this will save many ordinary employees working in the banking sectors from a mass redundancy.

The problem in Indonesia here is that all parties from the law makers, watchdogs, regulators, Investigators, law enforcers, the prosecutors, judges even until the supreme court judges are colluding to some degrees. The people who commit a mega corruption could still escape even when the case go to the ultimate court, e.g the supreme court.

This is an example of British Banking bail out during the banking crisis in 2007-2009. This link come from a very reliable source as it comes from the Parliament.

https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05748/SN05748.pdf

In order to obtain a golden visa in Indonesia, one must accumulate $350,000 in an Indonesian state owned bank. How many individuals want to take part in this scheme thus far? Is it possible that fewer than ten affluent individuals worldwide possess the financial means with this sum want to establish a second residence in Indonesia or they just do not trust their money to kept by these institutions? What about wealthy individuals from the Middle East, East/Southeast Asia, and Russia, where a considerable number of affluent individuals, millionaires either immigrate to or establish second homes in other countries?

 

[Bob]

To initiate the analysis, it is advisable to explore the licensing, supervision, and bailout procedures of the banking systems in other nations countries with good banking systems drawing comparisons to the bailout of Indonesian banks, specifically in 1997.

The banking bail out in Indonesia during that era stands as a major contributor to the pervasive occurrence of mega corruption in the country.

This is not to deny that the benefit of bail out is typically better in comparison to the other visible alternatives. Contrast it with another option where confidence in the banking system erodes, leading to a mass withdrawal of funds. The bail out is always be converted to the government ownership of shares in the banks, financial institutions. If the banks make profit, the shareholders, e,g the taxpayers, get value for their money. Even it is just a breakeven it is already better than the other alternatives as this will save many ordinary employees working in the banking sectors from a mass redundancy.

The problem in Indonesia here is that all parties from the law makers, watchdogs, regulators, Investigators, law enforcers, the prosecutors, judges even until the supreme court judges are colluding to some degrees. The people who commit a mega corruption could still escape even when the case go to the ultimate court, e.g the supreme court.

This is an example of British Banking bail out during the banking crisis in 2007-2009. This link come from a very reliable source as it comes from the Parliament.
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https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05748/SN05748.pdf

In order to obtain a golden visa in Indonesia, one must accumulate $350,000 in an Indonesian state owned bank. How many individuals want to take part in this scheme thus far? Is it possible that fewer than ten affluent individuals worldwide possess the financial means with this sum want to establish a second residence in Indonesia or they just do not trust their money to kept by these institutions? What about wealthy individuals from the Middle East, East/Southeast Asia, and Russia, where a considerable number of affluent individuals, millionaires either immigrate to or establish second homes in other countries?

No on the highlighted text. Let's not confuse cause and effect.
Do you include the US in those 'other countries with good banking systems'? There have been dodgy bailouts there too.

 

[harryopal1]

(Not sure what happened. Only part of the original post came up.) "Good banking" is almost an oxy moron. Australia had a Royal Commission into banking which exposed a wide range of bad practice. One of the ongoing issues is banks not checking account names against account numbers when money is being transferred by clients. This has enabled the scamming of millions of dollars where scammers have copied legitimate websites and company invoices that has misled unsuspecting bank users paying bills etc. Banks have preferred that customers lose funds rather than impact profit margins by investing in a system that checks account names before effecting a transfer. As the heart of the problem that infects so many large corporations, banks and businesses is the bonus system whereby increased cash flow results in executive bonuses. The greed driven bonus system sees ethics compromised world wide.

 

[fastpitch17]

No on the highlighted text. Let's not confuse cause and effect.
Do you include the US in those 'other countries with good banking systems'? There have been dodgy bailouts there too.

The US has a somewhat good banking system. What it does have are some good banks.

 

[snpark]

The US has a somewhat good banking system. What it does have are some good banks.

In the words of the wise Black Pink
Not bad not good

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