This is how the Indonesian people and government have treated Rohingya refugees

[pantaiema]

The treatment of Rohingya refugees by the Indonesian people and government can be observed through this video link.

Contrasting this with situation in other countries mainly in Europe.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...otels-Home-Office-costs-housing-8million.html Boat migrants must be booked in three-star hotels at least, Home Office tells contractors as costs of housing them soars to £8m a day

It's noteworthy that these migrants have been attempting to cross the Channel from Calais in France to Dover in the UK for an extended period. EU rules stipulate that all genuine refugees must claim asylum in the first safe country they reach. The argument is presented that if they were true refugees facing life-threatening situations, they could have sought asylum in the first country they reached.

The significant daily cost of £8 million prompts consideration of how many refugees, such as Rohingya refugees and those facing hunger in Africa, could have been assisted with that sum. Additionally, there are still benefit money provided for each family member, as well as coverage for healthcare, education, and other associated expenses, all of which are paid by the taxpayers.

The treatment Rohingya's refugees have received in Indonesia is astonishing. There must be a compelling reason that compels them to escape, arriving in one of the most inhospitable places to seek refuge, given the absence of benefits, social security, and free health care provided by the Indonesian government. There is minimal assistance and funding allocated to them, apart from what is provided by the UNHCR. They are victims of others who may be exploiting the system, using human rights as a shield.

 

[Balifrog]

Not worse than how Palestinian refugees are treated since 75 years....

And way more efficient than some NGO's going picking them up on the Libyan coast and ferrying them to Europe.

How you think you would be treated arriving in Syria, Afghanistan, Libya without documents or money and claiming asylum ?

 

[centurion]

They are treated in the best possible way in accordance with government policies-pushed back to the sea after landing in Indonesia-almost at the same day when in Bekasi was the "Defend the Palestine" rally.

About 250 Rohingya refugees in Aceh sent back to sea - Archipelago - The Jakarta Post

The group of around 250 from the persecuted Myanmar minority arrived off the coast of Aceh province on Thursday but angry locals told them not to land the boat. Some refugees then swam ashore and collapsed with exhaustion on the beach.

www.thejakartapost.com

 

[MamangDudul]

In the end Indonesia is still considered a "poor" country, especially when we talk about living standards and social security and stuff like that. So overall it's not a good choice when you are q refugee, IF you have a choice of course. It's still always strange to see how far the love goes for some fellow brothers and sisters. Well, even religion only goes that far.

 

[Samoerai]

The significant daily cost of £8 million prompts consideration of how many refugees, such as Rohingya refugees and those facing hunger in Africa, could have been assisted with that sum. Additionally, there are still benefit money provided for each family member, as well as coverage for healthcare, education, and other associated expenses, all of which are paid by the taxpayers.

And still many asylum seekers cause a lot of nuisance: shop lifting, drugs, rape, ... Just in the news today in Holland.

 

[MamangDudul]

And still many asylum seekers cause a lot of problems: stealing, drugs, rape, ... Just in the news today in Holland.

Iam all for helping, but I depends on how, where and the general circumstances. Many European countries make a fool out of themselves these days. When I see what's going on in countries like Sweden, Germany or France (just a few examples) at the moment, it's a shame. Good examples why uncontrolled mass immigration doesn't work.
In Indonesia it's like you do a serious crime and you have to go. In Germany you are being called a Nazi if you bring it up.

 

[fastpitch17]

In the end Indonesia is still considered a "poor" country, especially when we talk about living standards and social security and stuff like that. So overall it's not a good choice when you are q refugee, IF you have a choice of course. It's still always strange to see how far the love goes for some fellow brothers and sisters. Well, even religion only goes that far.

Would not the Rohingya already be accustomed to a similar lifestyle as they would find here? It's not like they are expecting royal treatment. Unlike the majority of refugees only seeking better financial conditions you find in Europe, the Rohingya are trying to stay alive.

 

[pantaiema]

Iam all for helping, but I depends on how, where and the general circumstances. Many European countries make a fool out of themselves these days. When I see what's going on in countries like Sweden, Germany or France (just a few examples) at the moment, it's a shame. Good examples why uncontrolled mass immigration doesn't work.
In Indonesia it's like you do a serious crime and you have to go. In Germany you are being called a Nazi if you bring it up.

Same here. I am for help for the genuine refugees.
A significant issue arises with certain refugees who are purportedly exploiting the system, using human rights as a shield.

While not all individuals associated with this movement may truly align with far-right views, the concern lies in the misuse of funds, as illustrated in post #1. This is evident in the growing influence of far-right ideologies in Europe.

Consequently, the trust in genuine refugees and the refugee systems which cater to those with legitimate reasons for seeking refuge, has eroded among the public. Even they are not far right but the fact it is also their money that have been used to fund the system which might not be for a genuine reason. The good example is described in post #1.

 

[snpark]

Actually asylum used to be the nearest safest country. I still don't know how or why middle eastern refugees as an example get to claim asylum in the UK and not nearer in Europe.
Yes I admit we helped destroy their country thanks to Blair but traditionally you claimed asylum at the next nearest safest country. I mean why not Dubai? They go where it's easier. The things that UK give refugees is incredible and they still have the nerve to complain. Hey don't like it? Pi55 off then.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

The UK allows in loads of refugees because a) they need them for cheap labour which the locals won't do and b) the population is too polite to complain.
In Indonesia there are always locals who want to do any job, and the population is not afraid of complaining very loudly. Good for them. If Europeans were the same they wouldn't have been overrun.

 

[snpark]

There's no unemployment in Indonesia because everyone is self employed with their own transportation company or catering business

 

[Balifrog]

There's no unemployment in Indonesia because everyone is self employed with their own transportation company or catering business

There is no or little unemployment because the tradiitionnal odd, low paying, back breaking jobs are still continuing here. Where as in Europe we have created so many "moral" rules, standards and regulations that we have destroyed those jobs.
Milk man, shoe shine boy, paper delivery boy, porter for luggage at the train station.... And anyone who want to start a small food stall faces such hurdles that it is not worth the effort. And that is before the tax man drops by !
We have destroyed 100's of traditionnal jobs, and the difficult hard jobs Europeans don't want to do them anymore.

Oh, and add to that a birth rate that doesn't even cover the replacement of the deads.

 

[Samoerai]

The significant daily cost of £8 million prompts consideration of how many refugees

Results of elections in The Netherlands. PVV (ultra right) of Wilders (aka "Dutch Trump") has won. Why? People are fed up with immigrants.

 

[harryopal1]

Not taking more migrants is one thing but this will not stop the flow of tens of thousands of people leaving north Africa and hoping to find an opening in Europe. Not sure how the numbers stack up in the Netherlands of illegals but the pressure will continue and neighbouring European countries may look to take a tougher line with migrants. And now having won by such a margin one wonders if Wilders will look to enact legislation to try and push out many who are already living there illegals or perhaps even recently processed migrants.

Apart from African or Middle Eastern people there is always a number of people from other parts of Europe marrying a Dutch partner and for one reason or another wanting to live in the Netherlands.

 

[centurion]

Diversity is our strenght.

 

[snpark]

Diversity is our strenght.

Grammer isn't not

 

[centurion]

Grammer isn't not

Grammar rules are part of White supremacy.

 

[pantaiema]

Results of elections in The Netherlands. PVV (ultra right) of Wilders (aka "Dutch Trump") has won. Why? People are fed up with immigrants.

I could easily understand the rise of far right in Europe.

The Totaling of £8 million per day, incurred solely in the UK for accommodating these people in three-star hotels. On the top of that financial support for each family member/children, free education for children, free healthcare. This financial burden is shouldered by taxpayers. EU regulations dictate that genuine refugees should seek asylum in the first safe country they reach, raising questions about the motives of those who choose not to do so.

Upon reaching the UK, using human right as a shield, once they are granted a permanent residency, they are entitled to benefit like anyone else. It is possible to get annual benefits amounting to £25,323 pa (£2,110.25 per month) without ever contribute to the system. This monthly figure translates to IDR41 million per month at the current exchange rate, surpassing the earnings of vast majority of hard-working individuals in Indonesia. The frustration among taxpayers is palpable when considering how these funds could be utilized to aid civilians in war-torn regions or combat hunger in Africa.

The dissatisfaction with the allocation of taxpayer money by politicians might contribute to the inclination of some individuals towards far-right ideologies. This sentiment is notably different in Indonesia. The absence of government-provided benefits, social security, and free healthcare creates a stark contrast. Minimal assistance is available, primarily through the support provided by the UNHCR.

 

[pantaiema]

Not taking more migrants is one thing but this will not stop the flow of tens of thousands of people leaving north Africa and hoping to find an opening in Europe. Not sure how the numbers stack up in the Netherlands of illegals but the pressure will continue and neighbouring European countries may look to take a tougher line with migrants. And now having won by such a margin one wonders if Wilders will look to enact legislation to try and push out many who are already living there illegals or perhaps even recently processed migrants.

Apart from African or Middle Eastern people there is always a number of people from other parts of Europe marrying a Dutch partner and for one reason or another wanting to live in the Netherlands.
View attachment 3540

Geert Wilders' mother has Indonesian roots, belonging to a mixed Dutch and Indonesian heritage. While not entirely certain, I recall reading that unless he secures a majority, his chances of becoming the Dutch Prime Minister are minimal. In such a scenario, other political parties are likely to collaborate to establish coalition to defeat him.

Far-right party of Geert Wilders could make it to become a party in most seats in Dutch election. The next one might be Marine Le Pen in France.

 

[Samoerai]

I recall reading that unless he secures a majority, his chances of becoming the Dutch Prime Minister are minimal

He did secure a majority and he now could and wants to take the position of Prime Minister. We have to wait and see if this happens.