DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

Never used the stuff. I mean, I washed my hands before some idiot told you have to do it 20 x a day ...
And concerning the temperature readings.... let me laugh
But hey, keeps the staff busy.
 
Could it be that there are different rules concerning ethanol and methanol sales?
 
on the temperature readings...... went to Yogya the other day and they took the temp on my hand, freshly washed in cool water hahaha
 
nosox said:
on the temperature readings...... went to Yogya the other day and they took the temp on my hand, freshly washed in cool water hahaha
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I wondered about this when it happened to us the other day- all I could think is they are perhaps trying to keep more distance from the face OR trying to catch out those who blast the car's a/c on their face before entering the mall :D
 
Don't you love the kind of 'positive vibe' headlines you get from the local newspapers here? ;)

'Lagi, Angka Kesembuhan Corona Lebih Tinggi dari Tambahan Kasus Positif' -> meaning: just keep our daily testing capacity low, we will eventually get there!
 
Dave70 said:
The ethanol you buy is only 96% at the most, 4% is water. So if you mix 70% ethanol and 30% aloe, you get less than 70% alcohol content. If you want at least 70% alcohol, you should mix 73% ethanol and 27% aloe.
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Thanks Dave. Actually, I knew that. was trying to keep it simple. I ended up mixing it to about a 72% ethanol. It is cheap. 30 to 35 ribu per liter. Great to fortify wine too.

When we go into a supermarket I get a handful of their sanitizer and cover the cart handles first thing and rub it in good. We have our own hand sanitizer we use. The ones in the stores are like water. I refuse to use those hand washing facilities so many have installed.
 
dannyboy said:
Don't you love the kind of 'positive vibe' headlines you get from the local newspapers here? ;)

'Lagi, Angka Kesembuhan Corona Lebih Tinggi dari Tambahan Kasus Positif' -> meaning: just keep our daily testing capacity low, we will eventually get there!
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Everything I read coming out of the government I reverse. I mean, do the right thing but make sure you travel domestically doesn't work for me. All they are trying to do is build up the economy and it seems at any cost to the population. Hey, don't report honest numbers and no one will ever know. Governors from various areas are complaining all the test are being used in Jakarta and Surabaya. They are demanding test get into other areas and not just for those that are already sick. A lot more that just some Governors need to start waking up after their 5 month sleep.
 
To those still interested, I have updated the daily excess death rate for Jakarta up to 10 August, divided into half-months to make the trend clearer. This is from public cemetery burial data.
Jakarta daily deaths.jpg

As you can see, we are on the way up again, but not back to April levels ... yet.
 
The Australian Federal government has a deal with Oxford University to take 25 million Covid 19 vaccines if and when it becomes available. Latest news is that the Archbishop of Sydney has warned Catholics against the vaccine as it has been developed from a cell line cultured from an aborted foetus.

Everything is just a little complicated right now.
 
harryopal said:
The Australian Federal government has a deal with Oxford University to take 25 million Covid 19 vaccines if and when it becomes available. Latest news is that the Archbishop of Sydney has warned Catholics against the vaccine as it has been developed from a cell line cultured from an aborted foetus.

Everything is just a little complicated right now.
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But an aborted foetus does not necessarily mean a woman has gone & had it removed.
It is either a spontaneous abortion or a medical one, there is a moral difference.
& I have absolutely no intentions of getting into that hot potato topic other than to say I doubt they are going around ripping unborn babies from the womb to create a vaccine.

The other point of note as far as I am aware is that the bulk of stem cells come from the umbilical cord.
Foetal stem cells come from clinics where there are unused foetuses:

Umbilical Cord Stem Cells - Current Uses & Future Challenges

Umbilical cord blood has been used to treat children with certain blood diseases since 1989 and research on using it to treat adults is making progress.
www.eurostemcell.org www.eurostemcell.org
https://www.stanfordchildrens.org/en/topic/default?id=what-are-stem-cells-160-38
Embryonic stem cells. The embryonic stem cells used in research today come from unused embryos. These result from an in vitro fertilization procedure. They are donated to science. These embryonic stem cells are pluripotent. This means that they can turn into more than one type of cell.

however the world is full of idiots who jump like lemmings off a cliff cos someone said so.


So all Catholics who want to dodge the vaccine- go ahead & do so :) More for everyone else.
Darwinian laws apply .
 
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Other COVID 19 news according to a report in The Times , the NHS has a do not resuscitate policy on certain vulnerable adults:

Paywall but the video is viewable
www.thetimes.co.uk

Care homes ‘ordered not to resuscitate’ as coronavirus pandemic took hold

Care homes were asked to introduce blanket “do not resuscitate” orders for all residents at the height of the coronavirus pandemic, it has been claimed.The Queen’s Nursing Institute (QNI), a charity promoting community nursing, found that one in ten care homes were ordered to introduce the measure w
www.thetimes.co.uk www.thetimes.co.uk
 
Helpful Herbert said:
To those still interested, I have updated the daily excess death rate for Jakarta up to 10 August, divided into half-months to make the trend clearer. This is from public cemetery burial data.
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As you can see, we are on the way up again, but not back to April levels ... yet.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but an excess of 40 deaths a day compared to long term average is not a small number. Roughly an excess of 1200 deaths a month for Jakarta? I'd imagine with PSBB there should be less traffic related death too?
 
True, although the birth rate per day is around 450 for Jakarta, so even though there may have been 7000+ extra deaths in Jakarta since March, demographically speaking the effect is not really significant.
 
That data seems to be significantly incomplete. This site for instance says that Jakarta has 10.6 million people and the 2018 death rate for all of Indonesia was 6.5 per 1000 people per year. That would be approximately 68,900 deaths per year in Jakarta, or 189 daily. Jakarta's death rate may be somewhat different than Indonesia as a whole, but should be close. So 189 daily deaths is quite a way off from a baseline of 100/day reported there.

Certainly a 40% increase in total deaths is very concerning, but seeing that the baseline data is very incomplete casts some doubts on the accuracy of the increase as well. I am not denying the excess deaths, but I am skeptical we have good numbers. 40% is certainly possible; New York City experienced a 100% increase (doubling) of their death rate at their peak in March/April.
 
It seems if anyone questions the idea of vaccines they are seen as a lunatic threat to human kind and should at the least be subjected to ridicule and perhaps forever banned from posting.

Today's news has WHO celebrating almost the eradication of polio from Africa except for this reservation.

"The continent still sees cases of vaccine-derived polio, which is a rare mutated form of the weakened but live virus contained in the oral polio vaccine. This weakened form of the virus can pass among under-immunized populations and eventually changes to a form that can cause paralysis.

That mutated virus can spark crippling polio outbreaks, and 16 African countries are currently experiencing cases: Angola, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Ivory Coast, Congo, Ethiopia, Guinea, Ghana, Mali, Niger, Nigeria, Togo and Zambia." (Full story https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...ild-polio-by-certification-committee/12596208 )

Almost all medical interventions are fraught with risk but these are mostly accepted as on balance the outcomes are seen as being for the greater good. With the rush to introduce a new anti Covid 19 vaccine I am not lining up to be a guinea pig. I don't really accept that my scepticism makes me some kind of extremist ratbag. But then perhaps this post will be followed by angry retorts suggesting I should be put down.
 
harryopal said:
It seems if anyone questions the idea of vaccines they are seen as a lunatic threat to human kind and should at the least be subjected to ridicule and perhaps forever banned from posting.

Today's news has WHO celebrating almost the eradication of polio from Africa except for this reservation.

"The continent still sees cases of vaccine-derived polio, which is a rare mutated form of the weakened but live virus contained in the oral polio vaccine. This weakened form of the virus can pass among under-immunized populations and eventually changes to a form that can cause paralysis.

That mutated virus can spark crippling polio outbreaks, and 16 African countries are currently experiencing cases: Angola, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Central African Republic, Chad, Ivory Coast, Congo, Ethiopia, Guinea, Ghana, Mali, Niger, Nigeria, Togo and Zambia." (Full story https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08...ild-polio-by-certification-committee/12596208 )

Almost all medical interventions are fraught with risk but these are mostly accepted as on balance the outcomes are seen as being for the greater good. With the rush to introduce a new anti Covid 19 vaccine I am not lining up to be a guinea pig. I don't really accept that my scepticism makes me some kind of extremist ratbag. But then perhaps this post will be followed by angry retorts suggesting I should be put down.
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I am not one for vaccines either, nor am I anti-vax, I sit somewhere in the middle, I don't seek them out, yet I avoid almost all medications where I can & just go with natural foods and such as much as is possible.
However IF I had to get back to the UK in a hurry because my parents needed me, & it was a requirement before travel, then yes I would have it.
I am not a big subscriber to the pharma giants at all.
If it became some huge vaccination program I would want them to check my T Cells etc first to see if I had immunity already.
So for now, no plans to vaccinate, travel or anything more exciting than buy in groceries every week for me.
 
R Cameron said:
That data seems to be significantly incomplete. This site for instance says that Jakarta has 10.6 million people and the 2018 death rate for all of Indonesia was 6.5 per 1000 people per year. That would be approximately 68,900 deaths per year in Jakarta, or 189 daily. Jakarta's death rate may be somewhat different than Indonesia as a whole, but should be close. So 189 daily deaths is quite a way off from a baseline of 100/day reported there.

Certainly a 40% increase in total deaths is very concerning, but seeing that the baseline data is very incomplete casts some doubts on the accuracy of the increase as well. I am not denying the excess deaths, but I am skeptical we have good numbers. 40% is certainly possible; New York City experienced a 100% increase (doubling) of their death rate at their peak in March/April.
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My figures come from public cemetery burial data. I am sure there are many who die who do not end up in public cemeteries. But it's currently the only data there is to work with, and it goes back 10 years so it can identify trends even if the exact figures are underestimates. But a general conclusion that death rates have been 40% higher since March seems reasonable.
 
Time to start stocking up on the beer, wine, and whisky aka my vaccine of choice.
 
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