DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

[Bad_azz]

I am beginning to wonder whether we will have an in-person Term 4 at all this school year. For my students, I am providing remote material through our learning management system and marking their papers via Google Drive. Different subjects have different levels of feasibility. Hopefully, the students are not doing hands-on chemistry lab work from home!

I guess that could be managed if the teacher is still going into the lab... through video calls?,
Virtual classroom apps? I think they are now available- the bigger schools can probably afford them.

 

[Bad_azz]

Well, there are probably many countries safer than Australia regarding Covid-19. However, from a gov't stand point and considering all the cancellations, restrictions etc, it is prudent for them to advice all citizens to come home now while commercial travel is still possible. It is much cheaper than having to send out gov't chartered jet to pick up their people from around the world later on.

China is probably safer now as they seem to have things under control and the benefit of experience in dealing with it.

 

[Chiron]

We were having a morbid conversation in the office about how many Indonesians die every day.
Calculated around 4,800 per day. (6.5 per1,000/annum)

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I think what experts/scientists around the world are concerned about, is not so much what the rate of how many people are dying of COVID-19 right now, but the rate of how many people are being infected over time. Couple that with a percentage deaths per case, and you get a pretty grim case fatality rate. The math doesn't look good, especially since this is apparently spreading at an exponential rate. The video posted here (a bit "mathy", but interesting), shows that it's possible that 1 billion people could be infected worldwide in just the next 80 days or so - based on data we see of cases outside of China. If a very optimistic fatality rate of 0.1% (similar to seasonal flu) is applied, then the possibility of about 1 million people could die from this virus in the near term. That would average out to 12,500 people per day in this example. The presenter here also shows what can happen if we are able to change this exponential growth early on, and the difference it could make.

 

[ChrisTex]

I guess that could be managed if the teacher is still going into the lab... through video calls?,
Virtual classroom apps? I think they are now available- the bigger schools can probably afford them.

A number of companies are actually offering it for free for at least 1 month.

 

[Bad_azz]

I am being reliably informed that Indonesia Govt is urging strict social distancing up to 25th may Lebaran, and potentially longer IF the virus isn't under control....
I don't have links, I hope someone can pop one in here... & apologies if they already did so.

 

[Bad_azz]

ah...

Indonesia Extends Covid-19 Emergency to May 29 as Cases Rise to 172

The death toll from the contagious disease remains at five.

jakartaglobe.id

Jakarta. The Indonesian government has decided to extend the national emergency for the Covid-19 outbreak until May 29 as the number of confirmed cases in the country rose to 172 on Tuesday, up by 38 from yesterday.

The new cases were mostly found in Jakarta, followed by East Java, Central Java and Riau Islands, a government spokesman said in a daily news conference in Jakarta.

The government has appointed 10 laboratories in different cities to conduct the swab tests for suspected coronavirus infections.


Achmad Yurianto, the spokesman for government handling of the outbreak, said the death toll from the contagious disease remained at five.

"Nine patients have fully recovered and returned home. Several more are still waiting for a second test and two days more [of quarantine]," he said.

Jakarta has the most cases out of the total 172, Achmad said without elaborating.

"Jakarta understandably has the most cases because the city serves as a gateway to the country with very high people mobility. There's a greater risk of contacts with infected persons here," he said.


Separately, the head of the government task force on Covid-19 outbreak confirmed in a statement that the emergency status had been extended until the next two and a half months.

"The emergency status applies for 91 days from Feb. 29 to May 29," Doni Monardo said.

More Transparency Needed

The Indonesian Doctors Association (IDI) has urged the government to disclose Covid-19 patients' identities to allow a more accurate contact tracing – identifying people who have had contacts with infected persons – at a time when the outbreak had been declared a national emergency.

The government bans the media from disclosing Covid-19 patients' identities and refuses to provide them in news conferences.

The secrecy was held to an extent that even the nationality of any foreign patient was not given.

The government only provided the sexes and ages of any Covid-19 patient.

However, the government was quick to announce when Transportation Minister Budi Karya Sumadi had tested positive for the virus, which encouraged IDI to demand a similar transparency.

IDI chairman Daeng Faqih said during an emergency situation, revealing a patient's personal data does not breach any law, especially when it is done to save the lives of other people.

Keeping their identities secret would only hamper works to trace contacts, he said.

"Revealing the names of coronavirus patients doesn't classify as violations of medical privacy, let alone the Criminal Code," Daeng said in Jakarta.

He pointed out that when the minister was announced to have been infected, Budi received a wave of public sympathies and people around the country wished him a speedy recovery.

Many people who have had contacts with Budi, including dozens of journalists, have voluntarily attended medical facilities asking for swab tests after his positive status was announced, he said.

 

[Bad_azz]

I have to leave the bunker for essential supplies - for hubby , not me... the telly chose the wrong time to break beyond repair... hopefully the TV store will be open with no customers, only this idiot writing this & her husband - ohhh the frikken shame

 

[nd_eric_77]

I have to leave the bunker for essential supplies - for hubby , not me... the telly chose the wrong time to break beyond repair... hopefully the TV store will be open with no customers, only this idiot writing this & her husband - ohhh the frikken shame

Even if the tv store closes, you can still go to Hypermart, Carrefour, etc to buy a tv.

 

[jstar]

And order everything online. Even cheaper.

That also works for medication and daily groceries btw. We just ordered 3 kilo eggs, 1 kilo of butter, and a DVB-T antenna.

 

[make_batik_great_again]

Question to those people who are already purchasing medication: Do you already buy because you fear it won't be available anymore soon or because you already noticed symptoms of illness? And are you part of the risk group (age/diseases)?

I am usually the type of patient who buys medication only if really necessary. But now, if the medication might not be available anymore soon, it makes me think. But as far as I know the chances of getting healthy again are also very good without medication. Or am I wrong? If the chances without medication are also fine, (since being around 35 years) I would tend to trust my body's defense system and leave the medication for people who are more threatened by the disease.

Since yesterday's evening, I am noticing low symptoms. I hope it is just a cold that I caught. But for community's safety reasons I will quarantine myself, and will also research if the symptoms fit covid or regular flu/cold. For now I will not go to a doctor since, as far as we know from the news, there are not so many test kits yet and probably better to leave them for people in a more critical condition. And I think, beside the possibility of having a test, the benefit from a visit at the doctor is lower than the risk of getting another disease.

 

[jstar]

Both; we have some family members who are sniffing and coughing but it is too early to medicate.
Still, bought it all days ago, a buffer of the medication people are on, including chloroquine, coughing syrup, paracetamol, etc.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

I'm actually enjoying not having to go to shopping malls. And I won't miss CGK terminal 3. Apparently dolphins have returned to the canals of Venice (not that anyone except residents can see that, which I guess is the point).

 

[make_batik_great_again]

I'm actually enjoying not having to go to shopping malls. And I won't miss CGK terminal 3. Apparently dolphins have returned to the canals of Venice (not that anyone except residents can see that, which I guess is the point).

Yes, also read that. Near the harbour of Napoli (due to less traffic on the sea) there have been seen dolphins as well (first time after many, many years). At least some good development.

But there is also worrying development in Europe. In Denmark health authorities are now allowed by law to force people to testing, treatment and quarantine. Police, military and even private security companies can be asked to enforce that new emergency law.

 

[dafluff]

We were having a morbid conversation in the office about how many Indonesians die every day.
Calculated around 4,800 per day. (6.5 per1,000/annum)

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The issue is not just the current death rate. It is that it is expanding fast, and when too many people get it at the same time, medical treatment capacity will be overwhelmed.

When that happens, simple medical non-issues (like say appendicitis) become emergencies. Then it doesn't matter if you are young or not in an at-risk group for Covid-19. You may die due to something utterly treatable, were it not for hospital capacities being overwhelmed.

 

[dafluff]

As for the situation in Bali right now...it's not great. The island is over reliant on tourism, and this is perhaps the one unique time where you won't get any tourists for a while. Volcanoes or terrorism scares aren't nearly as bad: they are localized, many people will come anyway, etc. But no one is coming if they literally can't come.

Many hotels are closing after Nyepi, which is the last time some domestic tourists are expected. We will see how Lebaran plays out.

At this point, maybe we should let the Chinese back in....they seem to have things handled...

 

[jstar]

But there is also worrying development in Europe.

Spain is doing worse than Italy.

Amount of deaths:

 

[nd_eric_77]

At this point, maybe we should let the Chinese back in....they seem to have things handled...

I doubt that China will want its citizens flying to a country that is inadequately handling the outbreak.

 

[dafluff]

I doubt that China will want its citizens flying to a country that is inadequately handling the outbreak.

Yup...and they (the tourists) probably don't want to self-quarantine for 14 days as is now required for every entry from abroad.

On the upside tho, for Bali, there will be no shortage of hotel rooms to be commandeered for isolation hospital use.

 

[Balifrog]

I doubt that China will want its citizens flying to a country that is inadequately handling the outbreak.

Correct. 2 reasons :

• risk of bringing back the virus (and starting the whole process again)
• they dont want people to spend currency overseas, and add to GDP deficit.

Just my 2 cent, I could be wrong.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

For those actually living in Bali (which I guess includes a lot of youtubers) what a great time to go and see all the sights without tourists. Maybe even a beach clean-up to pass the time?