DON'T PANIC.... well, maybe a little bit.

[jstar]

The one in Jambi, just like three in Bali (two Chinese kids and Mexican), were all negatives.

There is also a case under observation in Sunter (Jakarta). There is a medical center which is specialized on viral infections.

 

[harryopal1]

The Singapore news service CNN and the Guardian newspaper now have the figure for Corona deaths in China as 106 and over 4000 infected. CNN also reported that a Hong Kong University source reckoned the actual number of infections in China is over 40,000. The Philippines government will not issue any visas to Chinese.

A way to go before this plays out.

 

[Ruserious]

Given an incubation period of 1-15 days we would expect to see more human to human transmission already. Correct me if im wrong but all the cases outside china seem to be people who have come from china. What about all those on the plane with them? None showing infections yet?

 

[gemima]

Some interesting resources that I've found to monitor the outbreak:
1. The Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering has built and is regularly updating an online dashboard for tracking the worldwide spread of the coronavirus outbreak: https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
2. Genomic epidemiology of novel coronavirus (nCoV) - so far they have sequenced the genetic variations in virus found in various parts of China, Thailand & US: https://nextstrain.org/ncov?l=unrooted&m=div

 

[macvert]

The one in Jambi, just like three in Bali (two Chinese kids and Mexican), were all negatives.

I heard there was a bit of a mix up after ol' amigo was calling “arriba” while waitng in line to go through customs so they pulled him aside suspecting he was intoxicated & upon searching his luggage found more than the allowed limit of alcohol (in this case, a carton of Corona's) & you can guess the rest.....

 

[nd_eric_77]

This could complicate my June travel plans. I have a flight booked on from CGK - PEK - IAD on Air China (CA). Purchased the tickets back in November, and the airline is offering a full refund, but no other airlines have prices anywhere near as cheap as what I paid for the tickets (plus, who knows which other hub airports could be contagious by then). My current plan is to stick with the CA flights and hope the epidemic wears itself out by May.

 

[harryopal1]

Eric, you might be lucky but I am inclined to think this thing is going to keep spreading well after May. Good luck.

 

[serious_fun]

this dedicated reddit page is updated frequently:

r/China_Flu

r/China_Flu: The name r/China_Flu was created at a time when SARS-CoV-2 had not been named and was only affecting China. Subreddit names cannot be …

www.reddit.com

 

[fastpitch17]

I guess I stay suspect about China. If my memory serves me yet, there seems to be a habit by China to under report ant victims and casualties in any disaster that may make them look bad. I have had to ask myself each time they report the number infected and that have died why they are in a rush to build 2, 1,000 bed hospitals and are saying they are running out of supplies. It's a country of around 1.4 billion people so with the small number compared to population you would think that supplies or beds would not be a problem. I have seen some estimates from people smarter than me that they feel since it is China reporting, the number of ill could be closer to 100,000 at this point.

I think Indonesia is going to have a rude awakening to it also with primarily relying on temp scanners and banning flights from one city in China. Indonesia of course loves to show the world that they are on top of everything and do everything perfectly. It would not surprise me if they had already had a case or two but shhh, don't tell.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

After the bird flu 10 years ago Indonesia did set up specialist areas in certain hospitals, where victims could be isolated and treated. There was also quite an impressive lab linked to one of the universities in Surabaya where they had chickens, monkeys and seemed to be doing some research on transmission and strains of virus.
Whether those facilities are still operating 10 years later, who knows ..

 

[dafluff]

You can follow the link below if you want to check out Armageddon unfold in graphical form, almost in real time (I think updated every few hours):

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

[dafluff]

The fact that Indonesia has reported 0 cases so far is a very lucky indeed. After all, there were direct flights to Wuhan from Denpasar, and millions of travelers between the two countries.

 

[dafluff]

You can follow the link below if you want to check out Armageddon unfold in graphical form, almost in real time (I think updated every few hours):

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

Actually the above is updated daily. However this one is updated more often (in Chinese, but if you use Chrome, you can translate to English):

新冠病毒最新实时疫情地图_丁香园

丁香园、丁香医生整合各权威渠道发布的官方数据，通过疫情地图直观展示，持续更新最新的新型冠状病毒肺炎的实时疫情动态。

3g.dxy.cn

 

[harryopal1]

Difficult decisions to be confronted by many countries. Indonesia will obviously see a big fall in Chinese tourism so it would be loath to deny entry to all Chinese visitors but if the spread continues in other parts of China pressure will mount to do just that. Germany has had a case of a national being infected while hosting a group of Chinese tourists in Germany. If that becomes a pattern then more countries will look to ban Chinese from any part of China.

Australia, like American, Canada, Britain, Japan and the United States are talking of expatriating nationals from Wuhan. The Australian prime minister, Scott Morrison has said they will use Christmas Island for two weeks of quarantine. The Christmas Island administrator is less than happy and I suppose many other islander will not be thrilled either.

A major factor as to the possible usefulness of this measure is the issue of carriers being able to spread the contagion before showing the influenza like symptoms. If, as has been asserted, an infected person can spread the disease then two weeks confinement may help identify those who will develop full blown infection during the incubation period but will not contain the virus unless there is a capability of separate quarantining of each individual this two weeks isolation. If a group of people are kept in one larger quarantine area and there is even one person already carrying the virus before their infection becomes apparent then two weeks isolation of the group will not be effective.

With one contagious person in the group it does not follow that every other person will be simultaneously endangered. It may be that one or more people may pick up the contagion near the end of the two weeks quarantine. They will not be displaying symptoms so will presumably then be released.... to take the virus home with them and spread it into the general population.

 

[serious_fun]

I guess I stay suspect about China. If my memory serves me yet, there seems to be a habit by China to under report ant victims and casualties in any disaster that may make them look bad.

Only a fool would trust the Chinese gov't with anything. They're primarily concerned about maintaining control, not the health and well-being of anybody. They're not sharing some vital data with international bodies, and even blocking Taiwanese experts from dealing directly with the WHO! (see here: https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1505460-20200129.htm?spTabChangeable=0 ) It's beyond comical. It's China.

Anyway, back here in Hong Kong we have serious price gouging on face masks: a friend saw a box of 50 masks for HK$ 800 (~1,400,000 rupiah).

 

[nd_eric_77]

Only a fool would trust the Chinese gov't with anything. They're primarily concerned about maintaining control, not the health and well-being of anybody. They're not sharing some vital data with international bodies, and even blocking Taiwanese experts from dealing directly with the WHO! (see here: https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/component/k2/1505460-20200129.htm?spTabChangeable=0 ) It's beyond comical. It's China.

Anyway, back here in Hong Kong we have serious price gouging on face masks: a friend saw a box of 50 masks for HK$ 800 (~1,400,000 rupiah).

This whole obsession with face masks is borderline ridiculous. They are entirely ineffective at stopping any virus, corona or otherwise. The best analogy I can think of is like trying to use prison bars to stop a swarm of mosquitos.

 

[Bad_azz]

If a face mask was enough then would the authorities be approaching suspected infected people in the hazmat suits?
I read somewhere- but don't have the source to hand, that eyes & ears are points of entry, also the virus can survive a long while on surfaces.
So the only thing a mask is any use for is preventing the wearer from coughing or snotting droplets on others.
If the wearer has the virus and has touched their face & not properly washed their hands then a mask is not gonna stop transmission of lurgy.

However, keeping fit/ eating healthy foods such as fruit & veggies to boost the immune system, washing hands to the point of obsession (maybe that is just me) and maintaining decent hygiene should keep as many nasty bugs out of the head/facial zone as possible.

I am concerned that the jump in confirmed cases was more than 1500 in 24 hours but the incubation period may be part of the explanation.
The virus can sit around in the body for over 5 days (and up to 14 days if reports are accurate) before one shows symptoms- so I am cynical about the temperature reading devices at airports being effective.
Indeed looking at the global spread, one may assume the opposite (depending on when these temperature screenings were implemented).
I think my main take-away from all this , at this point would be: If you have elderly or infirm family members and come down with flu/like symptoms, best to keep your distance or practice stringent hygiene procedures as they are the ones who are at highest risk of fatality- from any type of flu.

& remember there have been 132 related deaths to date, in 2 months, all in mainland China.
So, why would one panic?

 

[Bad_azz]

You can follow the link below if you want to check out Armageddon unfold in graphical form, almost in real time (I think updated every few hours):

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

I believe it is updated daily dafluff.

 

[jstar]

?: Its al about size yes. With a virus which' particles measure 0.1 micron, and masks blocking > 0.3 micron......

Swimming goggles are also getting popular.

 

[serious_fun]

However, keeping fit/ eating healthy foods such as fruit & veggies to boost the immune system, washing hands to the point of obsession (maybe that is just me) and maintaining decent hygiene should keep as many nasty bugs out of the head/facial zone as possible.

yes! agree 1000%. --> Washing hands frequently is key.