Mobil Rakyat...new cars

Personally I would rather have a expensive high quality built 2nd second hand car as opposed to a brand new one. In the long run it will last longer and isn't made of baked bean cans and plastic.
 
In Europe from a retired person who was the first owner, yes. Over here from daily macet and a driver who did not even own the car?
 
In Europe from a retired person who was the first owner, yes. Over here from daily macet and a driver who did not even own the car?

I've got my eye on a nice 2014 3 series on original DK plates, one owner from new.
 
Mitsubishi is going through some difficult times. They have provided incorrect information on the emissions of their cars which are sold in Japan.

Nissan took a big stake in Mitsubishi Motors, which would also lead to shared platforms so let's see if this will have a positive impact.

Mitubishi has two new models available, both are on display in different shopping malls.

The first one is the Pajero Sport. The predecessor was not only a big hit in RI, also in Russia it sold very well. But the Russian market is performing very poorly these days so probably Asia will be the main target. Now this is a car you really should have a look at if you consider getting a (new) Fortuner or X-Trail.

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The other car already exists quite some time in the US also (not in Europe as far as I know). It is seen as successor of the Colt and is called Space Star in certain markets, and belongs in the subcompact segment where we also see a Nissan Mirage or a Hyundai I10, to name a few that are also revamped. The new Mirage:

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Did they quote you a higher introduction price Banana? Or was it completely OTR? The list price of the most expensive Calya model for Jakarta is 150 juta...



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I don't remember....i think it was like 158jt. "Inden" price available in October. Maybe it's marked up retail price as they know people might negotiate...

In any case, the boss-who-has-the-last-word says 'You need an HRV instead'. So guess it doesn't matter....
 
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Nissan has announced that the SUV version of its budget car the Datsun Go, will enter the Indonesian market. Probably even before India.

Its name will be the Go-Cross. Also this car probably will appear in a five and seven person version. For me it's the best looking Datsun (of the new generation) so far. But the engine will be a 1.2 liter with no automatic version in the near future.

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If you have too much money and you don't need a big car, you can spend it on the new Honda Civic.

Currently there is only the sedan version. But (as in the USA) the new hatchback should be introduced in RI as well. These are produced in Swindon (the UK).

Count on 480 juta (yes, you do read this correctly) for a car in the same compact class as a VW Golf or Mazda 3. In the USA this car will be just over $19K. Amazing.

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'You need an HRV instead'.

Talking about HR-V: I saw a car with Mugen stickers on the side. Mugen is the 'housetuner' of Honda. A bit like AMG for Mercedes and M for BMW. And I thought; "ah, one of these people with want to pretend they have a special version". We see that a lot, it's like many people do with their Beemer; put a M logo on the back and remove the 318i label.

But in fact I was wrong, there is a new Mugen version of the HR-V, it originated in the Philippines but is also available in RI.

It's just a shame that it is all for show; besides the extra interior options and exterior ornaments, you get no additional engine power or so. The 1.5 and 1.8 liter engines still offer the same amount of KW/PS as before.


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If you have too much money and you don't need a big car, you can spend it on the new Honda Civic.

Currently there is only the sedan version. But (as in the USA) the new hatchback should be introduced in RI as well. These are produced in Swindon (the UK).

Count on 480 juta (yes, you do read this correctly) for a car in the same compact class as a VW Golf or Mazda 3. In the USA this car will be just over $19K. Amazing.

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But.. but... turbo!

Talking about HR-V: I saw a car with Mugen stickers on the side. Mugen is the 'housetuner' of Honda. A bit like AMG for Mercedes and M for BMW. And I thought; "ah, one of these people with want to pretend they have a special version". We see that a lot, it's like many people do with their Beemer; put a M logo on the back and remove the 318i label.

But in fact I was wrong, there is a new Mugen version of the HR-V, it originated in the Philippines but is also available in RI.

It's just a shame that it is all for show; besides the extra interior options and exterior ornaments, you get no additional engine power or so. The 1.5 and 1.8 liter engines still offer the same amount of KW/PS as before.


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Yeah mugen, trd, meme combat!
 
Talking about HR-V: I saw a car with Mugen stickers on the side. Mugen is the 'housetuner' of Honda. A bit like AMG for Mercedes and M for BMW. And I thought; "ah, one of these people with want to pretend they have a special version". We see that a lot, it's like many people do with their Beemer; put a M logo on the back and remove the 318i label.

But in fact I was wrong, there is a new Mugen version of the HR-V, it originated in the Philippines but is also available in RI.

It's just a shame that it is all for show; besides the extra interior options and exterior ornaments, you get no additional engine power or so. The 1.5 and 1.8 liter engines still offer the same amount of KW/PS as before.


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I'm actually an HRV owner (here in Americanistan) and while I like the vehicle I feel it is somewhat underpowered. Great interior, great features, great space (probably the best feature of the vehicle)... just kinda pokey. It's pretty much as small as SUVs get (is it even really an SUV any more?), so I think most people are better off with a CRV or a Fit. The HRV is a great option for some people, but the CRV is probably your best option.
 
AMG vs. M, TRD vs. Mugen.

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Yep, I have never seen so many 'TRD' versions as over here. TRD is the Racing Development division of....Toyota. But it also becomes more and more cosmetic. In Tokyo there is on the artificial island Odaiba, a very interesting Toyota showroom, a huge dealership and a Toyota car museum as well; many special versions to be seen. If you're into cars and plan to visit Tokyo, a must see.
 
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Turbo or not to turbo..

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The Civic is available in two engines sizes: a 1.5 turbo and a 2.0 naturally aspirated. For those interested; an engine needs besides gasoline (duhh) also air for the combustion. A turbocharger pushes the air in, the other system counts solely on the pressure in the atmosphere.

Obviously everybody thinks: Turbo must be best. (That is a bit of a historic brainwashing by Porsche marketing.) Well, it generates more power and torque and (with a calm driving style!) can lead to less fuel consumption. Also, the combustion burns the fuel better (with less pollution). And it generates less noise. Still, it's not a real no-brainer. There is something called a turbo lag; it takes some time before the turbo 'kicks in' at higher RPM. And if you take advantage of the additional power, the fuel consumption will go up drastically.

Because of the turbo advantages, the manufacturers apply this technology also on smaller engines. Obviously a smart move to cut costs (and an added benefit of lower taxes for the buyer) but it also means the engine will have to 'work harder' compared to a bigger block. So that could be bad news for future maintenance and reliability.

With a turbo -and esp. with a turbo diesel (TRD)- you get a possible danger of overheating; it makes sense to let the turbo engine cool down for a longer period after a long trip. And if there is not enough lubrication (oil!) the turbo can damage easily which leads to a very costly repair.

Something else; an engine, esp. with turbo charger, runs better with cold air intake. But the air heats up considerably in the turbo. This is because the turbo works via the exhaust pipe; the hot 'air' flow coming out of the engine goes into the turbo and makes a (turbine) wheel spin. That will rotate a (compressor) wheel which pushes the air in. That whole solution can be an issue for engine effectiveness, especially in hot climates. To cool down the air between turbo and intake they created something called an Intercooler.

So now, you know what it means when you read the type plate of an Isuzu Trooper for instance.
 
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Dan's HR-V

I still think you made a good choice, Dan. It is more of a cross-over than a SUV but what's in a name.

There are some very smart things in a HR-V that make it very efficient. The best thing -as you said- would be the intelligent back bench. (Also available on the Jazz/Fit.) You can fold the back seats 'up' so that you could even fit a bicycle in there. Something else I really like, is the step-up bar; great for the kids but the adults in front don't need it and won't get their pants or dress dirty.

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But yes, it is not a big car; it's not bigger than a Nissan Juke or so. A Toyota Rush or Honda Mobilio over here, offer more space. The engine is a 1.8 and that is not too bad for that size. But if you chose the CVT (bit like automatic) you might experience some weird things when accelarating (you can not push the pedal to the metal). The engine will become very loud (some kind of howling) and the acceleration does not feel so immediate as with selecting a lower gear or a kick-down with an automatic.

The CR-V is more in the class of a X- Trail and even Fortuner and Pajero Sport. In the US there are other options (Rogue and other Nissans, Ford SUV's, Volvo XC60, etc.) available of course. It is much bigger but lacks the real efficient functionality of a third row. You can see it is getting somewhat older; it will need a complete overhaul soon (after some facelifts).

For those who have never seen the magic seats before:

 
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Good explanation jstar but I think you could have said how a turbo is powered.
I know 'coz I've had many boats with turbo and intercooled diesel engines (Caterpiller, Hino)...but others might think its connected by a fan-belt or something else...maybe add an edit to your otherwise interesting post.

Edit: Good edit....:clap2:
 
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The Civic is available in two engines sizes: a 1.5 turbo and a 2.0 naturally aspirated. For those interested; an engine needs besides gasoline (duhh) also air for the combustion. A turbocharger pushes the air in, the other system counts solely on the pressure of the atmosphere.

" I'm a firm believer in the "no replacement for displacement" school of engineering - bigger engine displacement - bigger torque yet lower the RPM. Turbos are great if you want to scream the engine at high RPM and running temperatures, and as you pointed out the stress on internal components is much greater. However given the traffic and the road congestion I think a turbo would be a waste here as you wouldn't really be able to maximize it to its full potential.
 
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Since the turbo kicks in on a certain moment, it is perfectly possible to drive around without ever activating it. Especially in macet in de DKI. It also depends a bit how you drive (and change gear). In that case, the turbo can get stuck because of dirt, since it never rotates. Of course the workshop will tell you that you blew up the turbo and that it has to be replaced instead of cleaning it.
 
Honda announces a new Freed

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It was about time. And since Toyota introduced the new Sienta in RI, the competition became tough.
 
The new Freed is already for sale in Japan.

There are two main versions; one with three rows (and the captain's seats) and another wchich is (strangely) called Freed+ that has only two rows (and thus more cargo space). The engine is a 1.5 liter. There will also be a hybrid but it's not clear if RI will get that (unlikely, just as the 4WD).

Accessibility was a hot item; there is a somewhat larger sliding door opening. They also lowered the ground height of the step-in somewhat, and they increased the width of the walk-through by 5 cm in the first row and 25 mm in the second row, making it easier for occupants to walk through inside the vehicle.

That makes the car rather interesting for the elderly and invalid people. (In Japan there is a special version with side lift etc.)
 
I'm also in the market for a new car, budget at around 300jt but preferably cheaper (Around 200). Still haven't decided on what to get though, love the looks of the HRV but feel that the 1.5 engine is a bit too lacking for it's size and the 1.8 is over budget, 2013/14 CRV should be in reach as would a Fortuner/Pajero from 12/13. Then there's the Outlander PX and the girls favourite a BMW 3 series (which with a bit of shopping would be achievable for the 300 mark, albeit an older model).

I have 2 left hands, wouldn't know what to do when the tire runs flat, let alone know anything about engines n stuff.

Car would be used for work / home which is a combination of toll road and regular roads which see A LOT of truck traffic (read: fucked up roads which means the car must have smooth suspension).

Any expert advise?
 

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