Global Citizenship Indonesia

[Banana72]

For the ex-wni that already have the 'unlimited' (or lifetime, or whatever name it is) KITAP, in my limited knowledge, changing to the GCI won't provide that much benefit- Be it 'lifetime', GCI, Golden indonesia, or whatever program the government have, they're all usually the same- many ex-Indonesians wishes only two things i think. To be able to purchase landed house or inherit a landed house. The second rights which is to vote...I dont think it matters that much. As of now, none of these so called new visa allows ex-wni to own landed property (and I won't hold my breath either at least for another few years).

 

[pantaiema]

For the ex-wni that already have the 'unlimited' (or lifetime, or whatever name it is) KITAP, in my limited knowledge, changing to the GCI won't provide that much benefit- Be it 'lifetime', GCI, Golden indonesia, or whatever program the government have, they're all usually the same- many ex-Indonesians wishes only two things i think. To be able to purchase landed house or inherit a landed house. The second rights which is to vote...I dont think it matters that much. As of now, none of these so called new visa allows ex-wni to own landed property (and I won't hold my breath either at least for another few years).

They have been promoting this new visa intended to resemble India’s OCI for several years during regular meetings with the Indonesian diaspora abroad, usually held at Indonesian embassies and consulates, as well as in statements to the press. Including, the officials who have been promoting this misleading comment are the former minister, Yasonna, and the current minister, Yusril.

If the scheme were truly similar to India’s OCI, former Indonesian citizens should be able to own freehold landed property, with only a very few exceptions of type of landed properties you could own. But this is not just that, the difference between this GCI and India's OCI in term of the fee, requirement, the benefit you get, the right you have, etc is massive (See the previous posts).

In Indonesia, however, officials often say what people want to hear in public or even during formal events, in press conference, but the actual policies may turn out very differently. Literally no risk of doing that, as there has not been any instance where ministers, high rank officials are getting sacked by making misleading comments in public.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

As well as being able to own land the other thing they would want is to be able to work without needing to get a work permit.

 

[pantaiema]

Ok Indonesianists on the forum, you can analyze the regulation.

For, those who need it, this is the English Translation of the minister regulation,
Permen_Imipas_No_3_2025 - Visa, Residence Permit, Facilities And Privilege, And Supervision Immigration For The Diaspora.

I fully believe the new VISA index E32E, E32F, E32G, E32H are based on this minister regulation.

 

[pantaiema]

"Andrianto (the current immigration minister) noted that several countries implement SIMILAR systems, citing India’s Overseas Citizenship scheme as an example"

This scheme is also advertised on Central local immigration social media. Same tone it is claimed to be SIMILAR to OCI Indian Version. it seems many Indonesian people like to comment without doing their own basic research, having a proper understanding the matter. Many people provide commendation of this scheme. People do not realise that the difference between this GCI and OCI (Indian Version) is massive in term of cost, benefit, investment requirement, etc.

Also many people do not realise that the previous offer for Ex-Indonesian available from a decade ago is much better.

This is yet another example of how the current minister (Adrianto) continues to compare Indonesia’s GCI with India’s OCI in public. Anyone familiar with Indonesia's various visa indexes and with what OCI actually is will recognize how completely misleading this comparison is.

If you search on YouTube, you might still find recordings of former Coordinating Minister for Law and Immigration, Yasonna, as well as the current coordinating minister, Yusri; All claiming that a new visa similar to India’s OCI would be introduced. These statements were made in front of Indonesian diaspora congresses and in some occasions were held at Indonesian embassies around the world, and were also covered by the press.

 

[galaxynexus]

Just a couple days later, the investment requirement for E32E has been lowered from 100k to 10k USD. I think they're still figuring this out...

 

[galaxynexus]

Looking at the latest available rule PERATURAN MENTERI IMIGRASI DAN PEMASYARAKATAN
REPUBLIK INDONESIA
NOMOR 3 TAHUN 2025
TENTANG
VISA, IZIN TINGGAL, FASILITAS DAN KEMUDAHAN, SERTA PENGAWASAN
KEIMIGRASIAN BAGI DIASPORA

E32E (ijin menetap) still requires 100k USD investment.

However given that they changes the evisa website to indicate 10k means there's probably another (yet to be published) peraturan menteri with revision to this.

 

[pantaiema]

Just a couple days later, the investment requirement for E32E has been lowered from 100k to 10k USD. I think they're still figuring this out...

I just checked it a few minutes ago. You are right, they just change the investment requirement to be USD10K.

I fully believe they changed it today as yesterday Sunday, I checked it it was still USD 100K. But it could also be a typo, copy and paste from the website admin, when they input it into their website. It does not seem to comply with Permen_Imipas_No_3_2025 that I posted in Post #24

The Indonesian version hast not shown on their Indonesian site imigrasi.go.id yet

 

[matchalatte2981]

Does the apartment or flat purchase requirement mean that the visa holder owns the property through a leasehold?

 

[pantaiema]

Does the apartment or flat purchase requirement mean that the visa holder owns rent property through a leasehold?

Sort that for you.

With a leasehold, you don’t actually own the property, you’re only renting it for a fixed term. Some property agents and developers use this terminology in a misleading way.

Buying a USD 100k property in Indonesia can be a good investment, but the challenge is that foreigners are limited to leasehold units in flats or apartments (non-landed properties). You cannot buy landed property, such as land and a house built on it. Also, keep in mind that in Indonesia, apartments and flats can be difficult to resell. The upside is that at least you can live in the unit yourself instead of paying rent.

 

[pantaiema]

I just checked it a few minutes ago. You are right, they just change the investment requirement to be USD10K.

I fully believe they changed it today as yesterday Sunday, I checked it it was still USD 100K. But it could also be a typo, copy and paste from the website admin, when they input it into their website. It does not seem to comply with Permen_Imipas_No_3_2025 that I posted in Post #24

The Indonesian version hast not shown on their Indonesian site imigrasi.go.id yet

I just checked the Permen_Imipas_No_3_2025 - Visa, Residence Permit, For The Diaspora. In Atricle 8, it is clealry stated US$100k, not USD10k so the one on eVisa Website for E32E with USD$10k investment requirement is highly likely a typo, or as result of copy and paste.

 

[overuchan]

Heard from a friend in immigration they got another brief today that E32E-H are indeed the GCI visas, with E got the investment requirement down to 5k, G will need 10k for 1st degree, 25k for 2nd.
Launching in Jan, so I suppose they won't update the website til then.

 

[pantaiema]

Heard from a friend in immigration they got another brief today that E32E-H are indeed the GCI visas, with E got the investment requirement down to 5k, G will need 10k for 1st degree, 25k for 2nd.
Launching in Jan, so I suppose they won't update the website til then.

Looking at the latest available rule PERATURAN MENTERI IMIGRASI DAN PEMASYARAKATAN
REPUBLIK INDONESIA
NOMOR 3 TAHUN 2025
TENTANG
VISA, IZIN TINGGAL, FASILITAS DAN KEMUDAHAN, SERTA PENGAWASAN
KEIMIGRASIAN BAGI DIASPORA

E32E (ijin menetap) still requires 100k USD investment.

However given that they changes the evisa website to indicate 10k means there's probably another (yet to be published) peraturan menteri with revision to this.

For this they will need to issue a new regulation (or amend the existing one) as a legal foundation. The existing Permen_Imipas_No_3_2025 (e.g Visa, Residence Permit, Facilities and Privilege, and Supervision Immigration for The Diaspora) does not cover/describe this USD5k, 10k, 25k category. You could read the existing regulation posted in post #24..

Another possibility as highlighted in post #31, a typo (USD100k become USD10k), or as result of copy and paste from the person who maintains the website, when writing/updating the english version of the new visa index. Keep in the Indonesian version has not been made available in imigrasi.go.id.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

The upside is that at least you can live in the unit yourself instead of paying rent.

The upside is that nobody can kick you out of the apartment. However you still have to pay a service charge monthly, which is a bit like rent and can be quite expensive.

 

[overuchan]

For this they will need to issue a new regulation (or amend the existing one) as a legal foundation. The existing Permen_Imipas_No_3_2025 (e.g Visa, Residence Permit, Facilities and Privilege, and Supervision Immigration for The Diaspora) does not cover/describe this USD5k, 10k, 25k category. You could read the existing regulation posted in post #24..

Another possibility as highlighted in post #31, a typo (USD100k become USD10k), or as result of copy and paste from the person who maintains the website, when writing/updating the english version of the new visa index. Keep in the Indonesian version has not been made available in imigrasi.go.id.

Yeah the info I heard was the workshop session they had yesterday, and just now I checked both imigrasi/evisa sites have been updated removing the E32E-H options. They're not there anymore.

Like you said the Permen Imipas has to be updated/amended before they go live in Jan. Still hoping that it's really 5k for E32E though, not 10k. Understand they need diaspora to contribute to the economy somehow to cater for some constituents but if they need to tackle brain drain that they keep rambling about they need to reduce the barrier of entry.

 

[dannyboy]

So, in summary, is this how the new initiative affects ex-WNI compared to the previous scheme?
- in the past, ex-WNI with sponsor, thinking about moving to Indonesia, they need to go through the whole process of getting VITAS-KITAS-KITAP (5 year) - KITAP (unlimited). The costs build up + multiple visits to Immigration, + agent fees (if you use one)

- now, assuming the documents required are the same, so long as we have 10K USD of gov bond/bank deposit, we will be given a fast track of getting unlimited KITAP at the airport immigration check point without having to visit the local immigration office.

Though not what we wished for re.property and freedom to work, this still sounds like a good deal, What do I miss?

 

[marcus]

... in the past, ex-WNI with sponsor, ... they need to go through the whole process of getting VITAS-KITAS-KITAP (5 year) - KITAP (unlimited). The costs build up ...

This was better than any other option , in my view , because it was cheap and if you wanted to have the benefit of Article 61 of 2011's Immigration Law (work & do business informally) , you could just get a 5 years KITAP as soon as you wanted .

- now, assuming the documents required are the same, so long as we have 10K USD of gov bond/bank deposit, we will be given a fast track of getting unlimited KITAP at the airport immigration check point without having to visit the local immigration office.

In my view :

• how many documents are required is irrelevant ;
• getting time unlimited KITAP from the beginning is also irrelevant ;
• now with the online system you don't need to go to the Immigration office , except in very few cases .

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Immigration Law Year 2011 - free translation
Article 60
(3) A KITAP for ex-indonesians and ... can be requested without any required time delay .

Article 61
... and ex-Indonesians holding KITAP can work and/or do business in order to make ends meet for them and/or their family.

 

[pantaiema]

This was better than any other option , in my view , because it was cheap and if you wanted to have the benefit of Article 61 of 2011's Immigration Law (work & do business informally) , you could just get a 5 years KITAP as soon as you wanted .

In my view :

• how many documents are required is irrelevant ;
• getting time unlimited KITAP from the beginning is also irrelevant ;
• now with the online system you don't need to go to the Immigration office , except in very few cases .

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Immigration Law Year 2011 - free translation
Article 60
(3) A KITAP for ex-indonesians and ... can be requested without any required time delay .

Article 61
... and ex-Indonesians holding KITAP can work and/or do business in order to make ends meet for them and/or their family.

IMO, Comparing the GCI with earlier Indonesian schemes is inappropriate. The correct point of comparison should be the Indian OCI.

This new scheme has long been promoted as being similar to India’s OCI program. Those has been saying this aren't ordinary individuals, they are ministers, coordinating ministers, director generals, high-ranking officials, in formal events held in Indonesian embassies and consulates and other official venues. Even now, some local immigration office websites still describe it as similar to OCI, which is simply not correct.

The differences between the GCI and India’s OCI are massive whether in fees, the rights granted (e.g right to work, own property, etc), or the investment requirement. Even the minimum USD10k investment required for the GCI is still no where near, as the Indian OCI, does not require any investment at all.

But even if someone insists on comparing it to previous Indonesian programs, IMO the GCI still comes out inferior when placed next to the E32E. Yes, the E32E only grants a two-year stay, but it has no investment requirement and the fees are much lower. For ex-Indonesian citizens, obtaining a guarantor is dead easy, making the conversion from an ITAS to an ITAP is also quite straightforward. Also for foreigners, including ex-indonesians who married Indonesians, there is spouse sponsored VISA E31A which is quite the same as E32E, it is just that in this case the spouse will become guarantors.

 

[Banana72]

As well as being able to own land the other thing they would want is to be able to work without needing to get a work permit.

Yes, this too!

 

[pantaiema]

The upside is that nobody can kick you out of the apartment. However you still have to pay a service charge monthly, which is a bit like rent and can be quite expensive.

Indonesians living in flats or apartment buildings (Rumah Susun) have shared various issues. Plumbing problems are common, pipes often become blocked and are hard to fix because they affect multiple units. Leaks from upper floors are another concern, including unpleasant situations such as sewage water dripping from upstairs bathrooms.

Residents are required to pay service and security fees, but despite this, the shared spaces are often poorly maintained. These areas can be dirty and smelly, with rubbish frequently left around. It’s not surprising that many people are reluctant to buy or invest in flats in Indonesia.

IMO In Indonesia, the only way to avoid the common problems stated above is to live in upscale apartments or those managed by well-known hotel chains. However, these types of accommodations are usually intended for short-term stays rather than long-term living, as the cost of long-term leasing is very high. Moreover it is very difficult to sell it. Becuase of this it does not make it worthy as an investment.

Which informed people would consider purchasing an apartment worth at least USD1m just to obtain a residence permit that grants very limited rights, no benefit systems, in a country where spending IDR 2m is already considered middle class? Also, in a place where the regulations, law could change frequently, often to the worse. In Portugal for instance the investment requirement is much lower than USD1m and as a permanent residence you are also entitled to benefits like local resident enjoy.