What Keeps People In Indonesia?

Smallworld. Just ask the mods to move our post. I would be happy to try to figure out where you are coming from since I have none of those traffic things you speak of.
Would food from Ukraine, Slovakia be western food?
Gee, if you were from Indonesia I would think so.

Move it if you like. We would hate for the newer users to be able to give their input.
 
I don't know many who are permanently living in Indonesia who aren't connected to RI either by job or spouse.
I guess you are too young to hang out with foreign retirees, Davita.
Personally I know a bunch of them.
 
This is EOT from me. FP if you want to continue this conversation please set up separate thread in the cage. I can continue discussing food and beef prices vs here in Indonesia.

Smallworld. Just ask the mods to move our post.
So guys... what are we doing? You two give us a good ol' frank debate in The Cage, spiced up with a bit (or a lot) of flame?
 
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Is this correct Indonesian? I've never seen "apakah" used like this before. Shouldn't it be "adalah"?
 
Is this correct Indonesian? I've never seen apakah used like this before. Shouldn't it be "adalah"?

Gee, hope you got the meaning though.
 
So guys... what are we doing? You two give us a good ol' frank debate in The Cage, spiced up with a bit (or a lot) of flame?

That's what he/she seemed to insinuate. Then again, it would eliminate some from joining in, wouldn't it?
 
Good idea Dan. I'm going to build a small fire and sit nude next to a shared pool and enjoy life. I'm sure others will understand that it is my space and they don't need to enter it.

I partook of the nude pool and I'm not too body shy. Careful, when I come back to Indonesia later this year I may just ask you to invite me over for a *pool party.*
 
I partook of the nude pool and I'm not too body shy. Careful, when I come back to Indonesia later this year I may just ask you to invite me over for a *pool party.*

Any time Dan. I just don't have one of those (make living cost higher) pools like the wealthier ones in Jakarta. I can offer a soak in a 8 foot Intex pool though. We are on the same body of land.
 
That's what he/she seemed to insinuate. Then again, it would eliminate some from joining in, wouldn't it?
If we would keep this has a consideration, no thread should be started in The Cage.

It's never too late to participate in a thread. Newbies having reach the required threshold and becoming cager may jump on the wagon when they will be eligible.

The Cage offers you guys much more leeway to debate. On the open board, the full Posting Guidelines will be strictly enforced and posts may be censored/edited/deleted
 
Hi Dan that was very good. I am interested in some of the "reasons" that you think Indonesians could generally be happier, or live more satisfying lives. I know you talked about less distractions, and more focus on relationships. Do you think, in the US, there is more individualism, materialism, narcissism.....? And/or other things? More time in Indonesia to not miss the more important aspects of life. I remember listening to some Harvard psychologist, on t.v., and they were discussing happiness. There had been a study done and some country in Europe came in #1. They reviewed some factors and the psychologist reported in the States a different ethos. He said it was more being #1 and by this he meant who had the most or biggest stuff. What are your thoughts?

I can take a stab at that but honestly pretty much everyone else here has lived in Indonesia much longer than I have. My experience is pretty much confined to three years in one region and it's a big country.

When I say that the locals lead more satisfying lives you have to keep in mind that most of my relatives want to escape to the United States whereas I want to live in Aceh. We each have an idealized vision of how the other half lives, the grass is greener on the other side. Most of my Acehnese relatives work harder than any Americans I know and have less to show for it. They tend to feel trapped, that any move they make will be a lateral move at best.

For someone like me, there's a great deal of privilege. I have the option of going to Aceh whenever I choose, I have the option of leaving the kampung whenever I feel like it. I can talk a good game about how life there can be good, and it can be very good, but I will always be speaking about it as a man with options.

I like to think of it in terms of what the Acehnese get right Americans get wrong and vice versa and that there's a happy medium somewhere between the two extremes. For example, as a survival strategy my Acehnese relatives are interdependent. This is wonderful for the human connection, I never got burned out being a dad in Aceh because there were so many hands around to help me raise my eldest daughter. That's a huge source of happiness because children are among the life events that make people the least happy (despite the public face we may give). At the same time, it is entirely frustrating to have your relatives just show up whenever they feel like it and you have no recourse to tell them no without causing shame to members of the family. There's a trade off.

Another thing that struck me about life in Aceh and its relative simplicity were the funerals I went to. There was some mild crying, but the majority of the time was spent together as a group sharing in food, sharing in duties. You don't pawn off the duty to a funeral home, everything is done at home from washing the body to digging the grave. And yet because it's so close and so personal the burden is shared and is lighter. Death doesn't become a commodity like it is in the United States, it remains an everyday part of life in Aceh, it remains completely natural.

If I could sum up what I love about living in Aceh it's that, to me, it feels natural, connected.
 
I guess you are too young to hang out with foreign retirees, Davita.
Personally I know a bunch of them.

You are too kind Atlantis but I don't know anyone (alive) much older than me...:first:

I also wracked my brains...some fell out. I've been spending Xmas and NY in Jakarta and went to many parties...most were of mixed couples and others were Asian. I cannot recall any purely retired expats....singles or couples.
I do know one couple (Kiwis) still working and commute to/from HKG but will soon retire to their beautiful villa in Bali....and another OZ/Afrikaaner who used to have a business in Bali but sold and still stayed...that's about it.
In my pub I know lots of regulars (surprise) who live in Bali.... but all are connected by job and/or spouse. Many single guys....but they all seem to be realtors or property managers....or?
I'd be interested to hear from those, who are disconnected, on why they stayed. Most members who have posted so far appear to have the same connection that I've observed, which imo.... kinda biases their observations.
 
So guys... what are we doing? You two give us a good ol' frank debate in The Cage, spiced up with a bit (or a lot) of flame?

Hmmm ....you got my answer loud and clear Mr. A.

FP if you want to continue this conversation please set up separate thread in the cage...

If FP can reply to my post (as per post 41) I don't see any problem why he cannot start a new thread in a Cage. What's the point of getting off topic here? I didn't want to off-topic this thread as it is interesting. Saying for mods, or me (you do it) to move it (our conversation) is....somehow not right in the sense not how an adult person would behave. IMO at least.

As for me personally I would just wave my hand and move on.
 
Hmmm ....you got my answer loud and clear Mr. A.

If FP can reply to my post (as per post 41) I don't see any problem why he cannot start a new thread in a Cage. What's the point of getting off topic here? I didn't want to off-topic this thread as it is interesting. Saying for mods, or me (you do it) to move it (our conversation) is....somehow not right in the sense not how an adult person would behave. IMO at least.

As for me personally I would just wave my hand and move on.

Taking it off topic? Although you disagreed with those that said it was cheaper living, you get all uppity when someone disagrees with you. Yes, quite adult on your part.

To be honest I don't understand why some people who are saying: cheaper living cost as to what keeps them here. There are plenty places in Europe where you can still live on the same level of living cost as in Indonesia while having "not to worry" life style at the same time (eg. my own home country). In fact I know plenty of British people who are living in Spain (weather and lower living cost-for them it is cheaper and better).

Something exotic Canarian Islands, Mallorca, European part of Turkey. Who knows maybe Russia near Caspian Sea, Black Sea? To extreme want to be cheap and EUROPEAN - Slovenia - close to Italy and Austria.

I would understand however: Better paid job/or simply job as one of the criteria for what keeps them/us in Indonesia. Adventure, international experience with focus on SEA area ect, business, Indonesian spouse.

You were the one that said take it to the Cage. like I said, if you want it in the cage, request the post me moved. I don't mind asking you what you are talking about in the open forum. It's obvious you don't have a clue to the cost of living in Indonesia because you seem to be only talking about where you live. I live no where close to the type of place you do. The things you keep on and on about costing do not apply to my area or a lot of areas. I don't have machet so I spend no more in fuel cost. Eatable produce is grown all around me so I don't have the to market cost they would in your area. Like I said. housing cost a lot more in your area then mine and many, many other places. The list goes on. If someone wants to waste their money in some overcrowded unbearable traffic place, that's there choice but they really shouldn't just figure all Indonesia is the same. I lived in Jakarta before and I can say it is a lot different where I am. Before moving here we visited various areas and kept records of what would effect us cost wise so yes, I do have a clue. If you don't like that, you take it to the cage. At least the members with less then 200 post won't have to read it.
 
I can take a stab at that but honestly pretty much everyone else here has lived in Indonesia much longer than I have. My experience is pretty much confined to three years in one region and it's a big country.

When I say that the locals lead more satisfying lives you have to keep in mind that most of my relatives want to escape to the United States whereas I want to live in Aceh. We each have an idealized vision of how the other half lives, the grass is greener on the other side. Most of my Acehnese relatives work harder than any Americans I know and have less to show for it. They tend to feel trapped, that any move they make will be a lateral move at best.

For someone like me, there's a great deal of privilege. I have the option of going to Aceh whenever I choose, I have the option of leaving the kampung whenever I feel like it. I can talk a good game about how life there can be good, and it can be very good, but I will always be speaking about it as a man with options.

I like to think of it in terms of what the Acehnese get right Americans get wrong and vice versa and that there's a happy medium somewhere between the two extremes. For example, as a survival strategy my Acehnese relatives are interdependent. This is wonderful for the human connection, I never got burned out being a dad in Aceh because there were so many hands around to help me raise my eldest daughter. That's a huge source of happiness because children are among the life events that make people the least happy (despite the public face we may give). At the same time, it is entirely frustrating to have your relatives just show up whenever they feel like it and you have no recourse to tell them no without causing shame to members of the family. There's a trade off.

Another thing that struck me about life in Aceh and its relative simplicity were the funerals I went to. There was some mild crying, but the majority of the time was spent together as a group sharing in food, sharing in duties. You don't pawn off the duty to a funeral home, everything is done at home from washing the body to digging the grave. And yet because it's so close and so personal the burden is shared and is lighter. Death doesn't become a commodity like it is in the United States, it remains an everyday part of life in Aceh, it remains completely natural.

If I could sum up what I love about living in Aceh it's that, to me, it feels natural, connected.

Thanks for taking the time to share some of your experience. I like the way you included the options you have, that others don't, while describing some of your experiences.
 
To be honest I don't understand why some people who are saying: cheaper living cost as to what keeps them here. There are plenty places in Europe where you can still live on the same level of living cost as in Indonesia while having "not to worry" life style at the same time (eg. my own home country). In fact I know plenty of British people who are living in Spain (weather and lower living cost-for them it is cheaper and better).

In your opinion are there "better" places in Europe to retire? If you want to answer, what are some things that keep you in Indonesia?
 
In your opinion are there "better" places in Europe to retire?

No not in Europe. The best option for retirement is the Philippines..

Why..???

Because we expats fit in and are accepted in the Philippines... Nobody stares at you in the street... Nobody yells "hello Mister" or "hello Misses" everytime you go out... You will not be referred to by the racist term "Bule" or called a kaffir if you are not a Muslim.

And.. almost everyone speaks English and booze is cheap and plentiful.
 
No not in Europe. The best option for retirement is the Philippines..

Why..???

Because we expats fit in and are accepted in the Philippines... Nobody stares at you in the street... Nobody yells "hello Mister" or "hello Misses" everytime you go out... You will not be referred to by the racist term "Bule" or called a kaffir if you are not a Muslim.

And.. almost everyone speaks English and booze is cheap and plentiful increases

Also any increases to the British retirment will be paid, where as here in Indonesia they aren't,
 
No not in Europe. The best option for retirement is the Philippines..

Why..???

Because we expats fit in and are accepted in the Philippines... Nobody stares at you in the street... Nobody yells "hello Mister" or "hello Misses" everytime you go out... You will not be referred to by the racist term "Bule" or called a kaffir if you are not a Muslim.

And.. almost everyone speaks English and booze is cheap and plentiful increases

Also any increases to the British retirment will be paid, where as here in Indonesia they aren't,

Good point. I forgot that one.
 

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