What is the reality of having helpers in Indonesian households?

[snpark]

It's funny one of the things that's sometimes habis in the supermarket is diamond milk
Milk! Ffs
From cows. In Indonesia. Milked daily
But empty shelves

 

[Samoerai]

It's funny one of the things that's sometimes habis in the supermarket is diamond milk
Milk! Ffs
From cows. In Indonesia. Milked daily
But empty shelves

The milk produced in Indonesia ... tidak enak .. IndoMilk ..

Actually, I prefer Frisian milk.

 

[Ruserious]

I prefer Greenfields myself. They even have a jersey cow version now.

 

[snpark]

The milk produced in Indonesia ... tidak enak .. IndoMilk ..

Actually, I prefer Frisian milk.

Fresian
Go to Cimory, it's all Fresian cows there
Black and white ones

 

[Samoerai]

Fresian
Go to Cimory, it's all Fresian cows there
Black and white ones

No thanks, I have seen enough cows in The Netherlands. ...

Besides that visiting a somewhat tourist attraction / museum clearly designed for children to get knowlegde about milk origin and production, is not my cup of tea.

In The Netherlands some - actually a lot of - museums have been transformed to museums more attractive for children .. (less information, more colorful and dumb experiment set ups for children to play with). Stupid move.

 

[Helpful Herbert]

Neither milk nor bread seem to be much of a priority for Indonesians. They often run out of both in the supermarkets.
One thing that never runs out though is chilli sauce!

 

[nosox]

had several chats with a few managers of our local Yogja. Firstlly about their warm fridges and then about availability of milk.
Our neighbour is in Yogja management at some level and he went and talked to them for us. There is always milk now and their fridges are cold.
Our preference is Cimori

 

[Jaime C]

I know I was shocked when I first came to Indonesia 20 years ago. Locals in Jakarta that we knew were paying their maids $40 a month.

We never had a maid of any sort until we moved to Bandung. After seeing so many little monsters chased by their nannies, we eschewed getting one when we had our child.

in our neighborhood in Bandung, there were a couple of ladies who would clean at an hourly rate. We had a nice one that would come in a couple of times a week, 3-4 hours each time.

Once my FIL had his brain aneurism, we needed much more help around the house. We ended up getting a full time helper for him, as my MIL needed help to take care of him. Some helpers would also do some household chores, others only helped with FIL.

My Indonesian wife always found the staff and negotiated the rates. Paying Indonesian rates, of course.

Our current maid first started as a live in helper. Worked pretty well, but her husband didn’t deal well with caring for their kids by himself. She got pregnant again, and then stopped working. Very tough for the family, as the husband hadn’t worked since Covid started.

After a few months, she came back as a day maid, and brought her baby and daughter to work. She’d go home around 5pm. Strangely she never learned to cook beyond nasi and ramen. My wife taught her to bake, and cook quite a few items. We gave her our old stove and a tank so she can cook at home now, instead of a hotplate.

She and her kids are like part of the family.

 

[Samoerai]

I wonder how many jobs will be cancelled in Jakarta at Frisian Flag office Komplek Pulri?

I just met HR manager from Frisan Flag office. She told me they will let go 100 workers from the office here in Jakarta. January will be their last month.

Worldwide 1800 white collar workers at FrieslandCampina will be fired. Profits are not good due mainly to competition in the milk market. This A-brand (Friesche Vlag) is more expensive than other brands and people nowadays buying the cheaper brands.

 

[vocalneal]

and everything is close.

Like Lucy's Oar House

 

[Pak Tani]

I just met HR manager from Frisan Flag office. She told me they will let go 100 workers from the office here in Jakarta. January will be their last month.

Worldwide 1800 white collar workers at FrieslandCampina will be fired. Profits are not good due mainly to competition in the milk market. This A-brand (Friesche Vlag) is more expensive than other brands and people nowadays buying the cheaper brands.

In Europe farmers are increasingly being taxed and over regulated due to their part in 'environmental pollution'. The excess of nitrogen that is deposited near farms acts as a fertilizer and causes some plants to overgrow others, hereby altering 'natural environments'. The horror.
No wonder these farms are losing competetiveness against farms in countries where there is no or very little regulation.
Europe (or at least certain countries inside Europe) is losing jobs and will become dependend on other countries for their food production.

 

[flavus]

Speaking of milk, what surprised me the most is that it's so hard to find lactase in Indonesia. Even though a lot of people must be lactose intolerant!

 

[pantaiema]

In Europe farmers are increasingly being taxed and over regulated due to their part in 'environmental pollution'. The excess of nitrogen that is deposited near farms acts as a fertilizer and causes some plants to overgrow others, hereby altering 'natural environments'. The horror.
No wonder these farms are losing competetiveness against farms in countries where there is no or very little regulation.
Europe (or at least certain countries inside Europe) is losing jobs and will become dependend on other countries for their food production.

Topic open for discussion. Although farmers in Europe and other developed regions pay taxes in specific areas, it is widely acknowledged that they receive substantial subsidies. This financial support enables them to be competitive domestically against agricultural and dairy products from developing countries. They could even export it to the developing countries.

EU sugar and dairy companies largest recipients of farm subsidies

Larger operators dominate the payments lists, according to analysis from the campaign group farmsubsidy.org

www.theguardian.com

English farmers count cost of changes to subsidy regime

Government says post-Brexit schemes will bring wider benefits but sector airs concern over lack of clarity

www.ft.com

Meat and dairy gobble up farming subsidies worldwide, which is bad for your health and the planet

Vegetables, fruits and legumes are nutritious and sustainable – but subsidies overwhelmingly neglect them.

theconversation.com

Even though the cost of hiring farmers is significantly lower in Indonesia, the cost of fresh milk in the country is comparable to or even more expensive than that in Europe or the global market. It is a similar case to the price of potatoes and onions.

 

[snpark]

Speaking of milk, what surprised me the most is that it's so hard to find lactase in Indonesia. Even though a lot of people must be lactose intolerant!

I'm corruption intolerant, doesn't mean can find a politician who isn't

 

[atlantis]

It's funny one of the things that's sometimes habis in the supermarket is diamond milk
Milk! Ffs
From cows. In Indonesia. Milked daily
But empty shelves

I've been dealing with Diamond's distributor for 15 years or so. Really, it's an acquired taste and after 15 years or so I admit that I don't yet fully enjoy it. I think I will never anyway. Their logic is definitely not mine (or anyone's in their right mind for that matter) and there is a long time I don't question it anymore.
But I am lucky enough to have access to their warehouse stock updated everyday which allows us to surf on their many shortages for all products. Unfortunately I think that many supermarkets of my city don't have this option (it forces you to have sometimes a huge stock which is a cost that they don't want to bear) or simply don't see it coming.
What is puzzling for me when I read you is to realize that it happens too in JKT. For me, who lives in a province where 99% of the F&B products must come from JKT or SBY since we produce nothing apart a few tuna cans, some mi instant and palm oil, it doesn't come as a surprise when a distributor doesn't have a basic commodity in stock in their warehouse... but in JKT???

 

[snpark]

Yes exactly I can understand imported things or processed things but MILK I mean the whole essence of milk is they farm it every day of the year and its packaged and delivered every day etc, how can suddenly one day NO MILK at all I mean wtf happened in the supply chain that someone forgot to order 5,000 cartons, isn't it the same order every week? Only in Indonesia
Meanwhile in UK they used to pour it away in the drain because they made too much

Also Diamond used to be like 23rb now its high 30's 50% increase since COVID - from the farms or from the supermarket

 

[fastpitch17]

Yes exactly I can understand imported things or processed things but MILK I mean the whole essence of milk is they farm it every day of the year and its packaged and delivered every day etc, how can suddenly one day NO MILK at all I mean wtf happened in the supply chain that someone forgot to order 5,000 cartons, isn't it the same order every week? Only in Indonesia
Meanwhile in UK they used to pour it away in the drain because they made too much

Also Diamond used to be like 23rb now its high 30's 50% increase since COVID - from the farms or from the supermarket

Bought Diamond Low Fat 2 days ago at SuperIndo for Rp16,900. Regular price 17,900. Other supermarkets have Diamond for Rp22,000 regular price. Can buy Indomilk for 14,900 but don't have low fat.

 

[atlantis]

I mean the whole essence of milk is they farm it every day of the year

Well, cows are fully aware of tanggal merah, cuti bersama...etc. Sorry but no surprise there if there's shortages
.

 

[fastpitch17]

One reason for shortages in some stores is that other stores use milk as advertised lost leaders. Look at a Super Indo ad each week and you will probably see some kind of milk at a low price. Normally with limits. You also find Indomilk at a normal low price all the time. When stores like this and with their size, you can bet their warehouses are full of the advertised lost leaders because they order an excessively large amount cutting into distributor stocks for other buyers.

 

[Samoerai]

More likely is that the supermarkets probably have to take out a new contract with the milkfactory and that they do not want to pay those higher prices. "Masih nego sekarang".

The costs of producing milk have risen sharply recently. "Energy, fertilizer and concentrates have all become more expensive".

Frisian company in Indonesia has to let go 100 workers this month. Worldwide 1800. Most workers in Holland.