Vaccine effectiveness and Herd Immunity

[Dave70]

Singapore may see 2,000 COVID-19 deaths each year- minister

Singapore could see as many 2,000 COVID-19 deaths annually over time, mainly among the elderly,but it was focused on avoiding excess mortality, a minister said on Monday, as the country battles its biggest surge in infections.

www.reuters.com

At 0.2% Singapore's COVID-19 case fatality rate is similar to the rate of deaths from pneumonia before the pandemic struck, said Janil Puthucheary, a senior minister of state in parliament.

It is also lower than other countries where cases surged before vaccination, he said.

"But it does mean that over time, the absolute number of deaths from COVID-19 will rise despite the best possible medical care," he said. "We could have perhaps 2,000 deaths per year from COVID-19.”

The minister did not specify for how many years that estimate might apply. Singapore had 4,000 deaths per year due to influenza and other respiratory diseases pre-pandemic, he said.

More than 80% of Singapore's 5.45 million population has been fully vaccinated and almost all its cases are asymptomatic or mild. About 95% of those who died in the last six months were older than 60 years and 72% of those who died were not fully vaccinated.

 

[Dave70]

Both the AstraZeneca and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines have been linked to rare, but potentially serious, neurological complications. Following research from the University of Oxford on more than 32 million people in England,... analysts found 38 cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome per 10 million people given the AstraZeneca vaccine,... which can result in numbness, tingling and muscle weakness. There were around 60 cases of hemorrhagic stroke per 10 million given the Pfizer vaccine. However, experts pointed out that not getting vaccinated is still more dangerous.

Note: Arirang TV is an English-language South Korean television network based in Seoul and aimed at an overseas audience. It is operated by the Korea International Broadcasting Foundation and is financially supported by the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism.

 

[gemima]

Both the AstraZeneca and Pfizer COVID-19 vaccines have been linked to rare, but potentially serious, neurological complications. Following research from the University of Oxford on more than 32 million people in England,... analysts found 38 cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome per 10 million people given the AstraZeneca vaccine,... which can result in numbness, tingling and muscle weakness. There were around 60 cases of hemorrhagic stroke per 10 million given the Pfizer vaccine. However, experts pointed out that not getting vaccinated is still more dangerous.

Note: Arirang TV is an English-language South Korean television network based in Seoul and aimed at an overseas audience. It is operated by the Korea International Broadcasting Foundation and is financially supported by the Ministry of Culture, Sports and Tourism.

My dad developed Guillain-Barre after a tummy bug. It's a syndrome where the immune system basically goes nuts and attacks the body's own nervous system. In very rare cases (like the example here - 38 cases per 10 million people with AZ vaccine) you can get it from a vaccine but it's more common to get it after having a virus (cold/ flu/ covid/ norovirus etc.).
It's a horrible condition for some people - it totally changed my dad's life. He was a healthy, strapping man in his 60s - ended up in hospital for weeks paralyzed. He still can't feel his feet 10 years down the line - has foot drop so walking is a huge challenge.
If there was a vaccine for the virus that he had caught and he had it he probably wouldn't have ever got GB.

 

[Missnaughty]

If covid vaccine is that safe (like other vaccine), will there be e debate? CDC and FDA does not even agree with each other….

How Often Do COVID Vaccines Cause Heart Problems in Kids?

Federal regulators are reviewing data on the link between Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine and a rare heart problem in adolescents, the company announced Sunday. That side effect — myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle — has also worried advisers to federal agencies in deliberations...

www.yahoo.com

 

[El_Goretto]

If covid vaccine is that safe (like other vaccine), will there be e debate? CDC and FDA does not even agree with each other….

How Often Do COVID Vaccines Cause Heart Problems in Kids?

Federal regulators are reviewing data on the link between Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine and a rare heart problem in adolescents, the company announced Sunday. That side effect — myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart muscle — has also worried advisers to federal agencies in deliberations...

www.yahoo.com

Do you even read what you post?? ffs...

 

[Helpful Herbert]

I'm guessing Miss naughty didn't study (or at least understand) mathematics and probability (or science) at school. That's the only explanation I can think for how badly she misunderstands vaccine data.

 

[Missnaughty]

I'm guessing Miss naughty didn't study (or at least understand) mathematics and probability (or science) at school. That's the only explanation I can think for how badly she misunderstands vaccine data.

No I dont. I just want to have 100% assurement that the vaccine will be safe and will not compromise our life quality. We have been exposed to covid and we experienced very very mild symtomps. I do not want to take any chance injecting a foreign substance to my children healthy body with a risk of blood clot, heart inflammation and death. Eventhou, the chance of it only 0.00000001%. Because we had covid and we are all fine!

 

[Missnaughty]

My dad developed Guillain-Barre after a tummy bug. It's a syndrome where the immune system basically goes nuts and attacks the body's own nervous system. In very rare cases (like the example here - 38 cases per 10 million people with AZ vaccine) you can get it from a vaccine but it's more common to get it after having a virus (cold/ flu/ covid/ norovirus etc.).
It's a horrible condition for some people - it totally changed my dad's life. He was a healthy, strapping man in his 60s - ended up in hospital for weeks paralyzed. He still can't feel his feet 10 years down the line - has foot drop so walking is a huge challenge.
If there was a vaccine for the virus that he had caught and he had it he probably wouldn't have ever got GB.

common vaccine is made from weakened virus or dead virus. In some vaccine where they use live virus, some people with less immune can get real sick as if they get infected by normal virus. The effect would be the same.

Pfizer, Moderna and Maybe Astra.. using new technology MRNA where they injected a substance that functioned like a code so our body will produce an enzym that can fight covid 19 virus.

 

[gemima]

common vaccine is made from weakened virus or dead virus. In some vaccine where they use live virus, some people with less immune can get real sick as if they get infected by normal virus. The effect would be the same.

Pfizer, Moderna and Maybe Astra.. using new technology MRNA where they injected a substance that functioned like a code so our body will produce an enzym that can fight covid 19 virus.

Missnaughty - AZ isn't mRNA. It's an adenovirus (chimpanzee cold virus) vector - the virus itself is weakened so much it cant replicate in humans (its replication gene has been deleted). This has become one of the traditional ways to make vaccines (ebola/ influenza and the new HIV vaccine).

GB is a known outcome (very rare of course) of ANY challenge to the immune system. None of the vaccines will avoid it completely and you are more likely to get GB from a natural infection. So avoiding a vaccine to avoid getting GB is rather shortsighted.

 

[Dave70]

How vaccinated tourists can now enter Israel: The full guide

Only those vaccinated in last 6 months will be allowed in; in shift, Russia's Sputnik V vaccine will be recognized but serology test required; most children prevented from visiting

www.timesofisrael.com

Vaccinated tourists can now enter Israel, but only those vaccinated in the last 6 months will be allowed in. Does that point to vaccination every 6 months if you travel frequently? A sign of the times to come?

 

[Hawk256]

How vaccinated tourists can now enter Israel: The full guide

Only those vaccinated in last 6 months will be allowed in; in shift, Russia's Sputnik V vaccine will be recognized but serology test required; most children prevented from visiting

www.timesofisrael.com

Vaccinated tourists can now enter Israel, but only those vaccinated in the last 6 months will be allowed in. Does that point to vaccination every 6 months if you travel frequently? A sign of the times to come?

Looks like 6 months will be the magic number.

Study shows dramatic decline in effectiveness of all three COVID-19 vaccines over time

A study of 780,000 veterans shows a dramatic decline in effectiveness for all three COVID-19 vaccines in use in the U.S.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Missnaughty]

Good news!

Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb: 'By Jan. 4, this pandemic may well be over'

Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb: 'By Jan. 4, this pandemic may well be over'

www.yahoo.com

 

[waarmstrong]

No I dont. I just want to have 100% assurement that the vaccine will be safe and will not compromise our life quality. We have been exposed to covid and we experienced very very mild symtomps. I do not want to take any chance injecting a foreign substance to my children healthy body with a risk of blood clot, heart inflammation and death. Eventhou, the chance of it only 0.00000001%. Because we had covid and we are all fine!

Your rant against vaccines as a threat to your children's health would be a bit more believable if your avatar was not smoking a cigarette.

 

[centurion]

@Missnaughty
You cannot get this assurance as pharma companies had some sloppy procedures and shortcuts during the vaccine development.

Covid-19: Researcher blows the whistle on data integrity issues in Pfizer’s vaccine trial

Revelations of poor practices at a contract research company helping to carry out Pfizer’s pivotal covid-19 vaccine trial raise questions about data integrity and regulatory oversight. Paul D Thacker reports In autumn 2020 Pfizer’s chairman and chief executive, Albert Bourla, released an open...

www.bmj.com

 

[nd_eric_77]

Unvaccinated people were 20 times more likely to die from COVID-19 caused by the infectious Delta variant than those who've had 2 shots, real-world data from Texas suggests

Vaccines strongly protect all age groups from COVID-19 infection and death, data from the Texas health authorities suggests.

www.businessinsider.com

Looks like even in the anti-vax haven of Texas (incidentally, where both of my kiddos were born), the data strongly suggest that vaccination is a good way to avoid dying of Covid.

 

[waarmstrong]

The British Medical Journal is a creditable source of information, and their investigation into mistakes and sloppy work at Pfizer's trials in Texas raises questions. But that's all; its not a smoking gun, especially given the statistical analyses of many other researchers as to the impact of the widespread application of the vaccine. BMJ relied upon unnamed sources, hearsay evidence, and speculation to raise its questions, but provided no answers. The real evidence is the effectiveness of the mass inoculation efforts throughout the world, coupled with the minimal side-effects in terms of numbers and seriousness.

There are no 100% guarantees in life. Those waiting for guaranteed certainty to inform their vaccination decision are in one of two camps: those who are unreasonably argumentative simply, it would seem, for the sake of being noticed and those who have already paid the ultimate price for their obstinance.

 

[Balifrog]

Unvaccinated people were 20 times more likely to die from COVID-19 caused by the infectious Delta variant than those who've had 2 shots, real-world data from Texas suggests

Vaccines strongly protect all age groups from COVID-19 infection and death, data from the Texas health authorities suggests.

www.businessinsider.com

Looks like even in the anti-vax haven of Texas (incidentally, where both of my kiddos were born), the data strongly suggest that vaccination is a good way to avoid dying of Covid.

Yep, nobody ever contradicted that.
But you can still carry and spread the virus. Even with the "health pass" or QR code...

 

[ChrisTex]

I had been debating about posting this for a few weeks as I was still processing somethings.

So disclaimer, I returned to Texas(until December) as my Mum was in the ICU due to covid before she passed. She was also 66, overweight, diabetic, and unvaccinated. My Dad also had covid at the same time, but he is 72, his was more like the flu and having a bad cough.

Somethings that stuck to me when I at the hospital and what I was told:

-Apparently before any surgery, they don't do an antigen test or anything to make sure the patients don't have covid. Mum had surgery on her ankle 2 days before she went back to the hospital. Talking to one of my parents' friends who does work in the medical field, she thinks Mum had covid then and the anesthitics caused some complications.

-The ICU are not completely full.

-They like highlighting if someone is unvaccinated in the medical files.

-Nurses were having hours cut short because the ICU not being full.

-The main nurse who was looking after my Mum and I were talking about covid in general, he was asking how things are in Indonesia, and I asked about in Texas and if it as bad as the media says it is. He said covid in general is bad, but not at the level the media is making it out to be.

-Diabetics are more likely to get moved to the ICU after being admitted as there is a faster reaction. Again, this is from the nurse.

-Doctors care more about keeping their medical lisences and hospitals are scared of being sued that they won't try anything other than their SOP even if they claim they have done all they can do and the patient's family requests it.

-Doctors need to work on their wording with medical charts as it leaves lots of room for interperation.

 

[gemima]

I had been debating about posting this for a few weeks as I was still processing somethings.

So disclaimer, I returned to Texas(until December) as my Mum was in the ICU due to covid before she passed. She was also 66, overweight, diabetic, and unvaccinated. My Dad also had covid at the same time, but he is 72, his was more like the flu and having a bad cough.

Somethings that stuck to me when I at the hospital and what I was told:

-Apparently before any surgery, they don't do an antigen test or anything to make sure the patients don't have covid. Mum had surgery on her ankle 2 days before she went back to the hospital. Talking to one of my parents' friends who does work in the medical field, she thinks Mum had covid then and the anesthitics caused some complications.

-The ICU are not completely full.

-They like highlighting if someone is unvaccinated in the medical files.

-Nurses were having hours cut short because the ICU not being full.

-The main nurse who was looking after my Mum and I were talking about covid in general, he was asking how things are in Indonesia, and I asked about in Texas and if it as bad as the media says it is. He said covid in general is bad, but not at the level the media is making it out to be.

-Diabetics are more likely to get moved to the ICU after being admitted as there is a faster reaction. Again, this is from the nurse.

-Doctors care more about keeping their medical lisences and hospitals are scared of being sued that they won't try anything other than their SOP even if they claim they have done all they can do and the patient's family requests it.

-Doctors need to work on their wording with medical charts as it leaves lots of room for interperation.

I'm so sorry about your mum - they really should be screening patients before surgery to check if they have covid or not. You wouldn't operate a routine surgery on someone with the flu - Covid is no different. Surgery (and anesthesia) is stressing on the body - add in covid in a vulnerable individual and it's a very bad mix.

My dad lives in Spain and has recently had both of his eyes operated on (cataracts) and each time he's been covid tested pre-operation (basically the day before). It seems like a sensible approach to take in the elderly or vulnerable.

 

[Balifrog]

So, that's the next step ? In a country famous for having been at the top of this fight ?

Israel to hold world’s first drill to test readiness for new Covid variant

War games exercise will help prepare for the possible emergence of a lethal ‘Omega’ variant

www.theguardian.com

I'll get me another drink... Been through this stuff during the Cold War ...