To Flood or not to Flood....banjir? karungisasi!

[nd_eric_77]

My normal route to work has a section of road next to a river and a motorcycle bridge crossing said river. Yesterday morning, amidst the pouring rain, both were flooded out. In the evening, I had been hoping that the floods would have receded, but no luck. This morning, despite the lack of rain overnight, the river was still overflowing. The area is far west Jakarta near the border with Banten.

 

[fastpitch17]

Anies has only laid blame on about everything he can blame it on and some things he can't. His loyal supporters claim he a better gov than Ahok because he prays for the rain to only come down on the weekends so everyone can get to work during the weekdays. Wrong on both parts or his prayers just don't carry enough weight to be heard. That or more nut cases are showing their faces.
Anies only concern is to put in a Formula E circuit for his own vanity. I can only hope it gets canceled due to flooding.

 

[jstar]

Someone in Menteng who's not so happy with the governor's actions and promises:

The APBD is the regional revenue and expenditure budget. That annual financial plan of the regional governments is approved by the Regional House of Representatives (DPRD).

 

[jstar]

There’s finally some good news for Jakarta.

After president Jokowi seemed to have thrown in the towel and focused on his pet project in Kalimantan, Prabowo seems to look at it differently. It is rather clear now that Jakarta will stay the economic center of the country.

Not only that, he took action on the flooding, sinking, etc. There was a meeting with experts and also foreigners who were involved in previous attempts and projects.

So the Dutch project leader -who is practically the only one left in the country, there rest went to work in Dubai, Qatar etc- told in a podcast that in the meeting he made it clear the infamous new sea wall had to be built.

Obviously the consequences are huge. PIK / PIK2 / Pluit / Pademangan etc. will from oceanfront evolve into eh …. lakefront? Mangroves might disappear, local fishermen will have to move, …

Some explanation on that: currently there is a not so well maintained wall. But it is on the shore, even in residential areas. The new one will be in the sea and create some kind of brackish water area in front of the Jakarta shore. Which is rather unusable.

And who will pay for that? Depends who you ask. The Chinese and Koreans want to do it all. The Dutch in collaboration with the Indonesians. The Indonesians don’t want to spend any money or require a full payback. The idea of a toll road on the sea wall (cf. Afsluitdijk in The Netherlands) seems obvious but is commercially not that interesting.

Reclamation is the keyword. If you turn the ‘lake’ behind the wall into land, you have a ‘goldmine’. That’s why the Chinese (and Koreans) want to do it all. They could reap the profits of the new land. You could say it would create a PIK 3 / PIK 4 / PIK x with huge residential and commercial possibilities.

Of course it’s far too early to say if they will get the Great Garuda plans out of the freezer, it might be just something more simple and less fancy. But at least something is moving. Experts say they have 10 years.

 

[harryopal1]

Singapore has a long history of development, reclamation and big projects. Is Singapore not seen as a friendly neighbour or is that Singapore money would have doubts about investing in Indonesia?

 

[Samoerai]

There’s finally some good news for Jakarta.

After president Jokowi seemed to have thrown in the towel and focused on his pet project in Kalimantan, Prabowo seems to look at it differently. It is rather clear now that Jakarta will stay the economic center of the country.

Not only that, he took action on the flooding, sinking, etc. There was a meeting with experts and also foreigners who were involved in previous attempts and projects.

So the Dutch project leader -who is practically the only one left in the country, there rest went to work in Dubai, Qatar etc- told in a podcast that in the meeting he made it clear the infamous new sea wall had to be built.

Obviously the consequences are huge. PIK / PIK2 / Pluit / Pademangan etc. will from oceanfront evolve into eh …. lakefront? Mangroves might disappear, local fishermen will have to move, …

Some explanation on that: currently there is a not so well maintained wall. But it is on the shore, even in residential areas. The new one will be in the sea and create some kind of brackish water area in front of the Jakarta shore. Which is rather unusable.

And who will pay for that? Depends who you ask. The Chinese and Koreans want to do it all. The Dutch in collaboration with the Indonesians. The Indonesians don’t want to spend any money or require a full payback. The idea of a toll road on the sea wall (cf. Afsluitdijk in The Netherlands) seems obvious but is commercially not that interesting.

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Reclamation is the keyword. If you turn the ‘lake’ behind the wall into land, you have a ‘goldmine’. That’s why the Chinese (and Koreans) want to do it all. They could reap the profits of the new land. You could say it would create a PIK 3 / PIK 4 / PIK x with huge residential and commercial possibilities.

Of course it’s far too early to say if they will get the Great Garuda plans out of the freezer, it might be just something more simple and less fancy. But at least something is moving. Experts say they have 10 years.

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More residential areas .. and Jakarta keeps sinking .. Jakarta is already called a giant bath tub.

 

[centurion]

There’s finally some good news for Jakarta.

After president Jokowi seemed to have thrown in the towel and focused on his pet project in Kalimantan, Prabowo seems to look at it differently. It is rather clear now that Jakarta will stay the economic center of the country.

Not only that, he took action on the flooding, sinking, etc. There was a meeting with experts and also foreigners who were involved in previous attempts and projects.

So the Dutch project leader -who is practically the only one left in the country, there rest went to work in Dubai, Qatar etc- told in a podcast that in the meeting he made it clear the infamous new sea wall had to be built.

Obviously the consequences are huge. PIK / PIK2 / Pluit / Pademangan etc. will from oceanfront evolve into eh …. lakefront? Mangroves might disappear, local fishermen will have to move, …

Some explanation on that: currently there is a not so well maintained wall. But it is on the shore, even in residential areas. The new one will be in the sea and create some kind of brackish water area in front of the Jakarta shore. Which is rather unusable.

And who will pay for that? Depends who you ask. The Chinese and Koreans want to do it all. The Dutch in collaboration with the Indonesians. The Indonesians don’t want to spend any money or require a full payback. The idea of a toll road on the sea wall (cf. Afsluitdijk in The Netherlands) seems obvious but is commercially not that interesting.

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Reclamation is the keyword. If you turn the ‘lake’ behind the wall into land, you have a ‘goldmine’. That’s why the Chinese (and Koreans) want to do it all. They could reap the profits of the new land. You could say it would create a PIK 3 / PIK 4 / PIK x with huge residential and commercial possibilities.

Of course it’s far too early to say if they will get the Great Garuda plans out of the freezer, it might be just something more simple and less fancy. But at least something is moving. Experts say they have 10 years.

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Another waste of billions of dollars-making Jakarta Bay a giant septic tank.

 

[jstar]

It’s like hearing Anies* talk

* “we know much better than all these experts, we’re just gonna dig some holes”

 

[Samoerai]

It’s like hearing Anies* talk

* “we know much better than all these experts, we’re just gonna dig some holes”

Sounds like a confident man.

 

[jstar]

Some numbers which are obviously debatable:

40% Proportion of Jakarta that lies below sea level

65% Proportion of Jakarta’s residents who rely on groundwater.

97% Amount of Jakarta that is covered by concrete and asphalt.

96% Proportion of Jakarta’s river water that is severely polluted, according to Indonesia’s National Development Planning Board (Bappenas).

25,000 Estimated number of fisherman who have been impacted so far.


If you‘re convinced the solution lies in avoiding the depletion of ground water, you have to take consistent measures. Small amounts of water are absorbed into the earth, leaving Jakarta’s aquifers unreplenished.

So that means control and/or stop all major developments, give all people access to clean piped water, remove kampungs (illegal shantytowns) and restore dedicated flooding areas.

The previous years have proven -once again- that political powers are too weak and corrupt to accomplish this.

 

[centurion]

Some numbers which are obviously debatable:

40% Proportion of Jakarta that lies below sea level

65% Proportion of Jakarta’s residents who rely on groundwater.

97% Amount of Jakarta that is covered by concrete and asphalt.

96% Proportion of Jakarta’s river water that is severely polluted, according to Indonesia’s National Development Planning Board (Bappenas).

25,000 Estimated number of fisherman who have been impacted so far.


If you‘re convinced the solution lies in avoiding the depletion of ground water, you have to take consistent measures. Small amounts of water are absorbed into the earth, leaving Jakarta’s aquifers unreplenished.

So that means control and/or stop all major developments, give all people access to clean piped water, remove kampungs (illegal shantytowns) and restore dedicated flooding areas.

The previous years have proven -once again- that political powers are too weak and corrupt to accomplish this.

Almost 30 % of Netherlands is under sea level.

From your data, first prudent measures before spending billions of USD on BS project a la IKN, it would be wise:
-to expand the water-pipe network to 100% and prohibit groundwater,
-to make the sewarage system, as today's system is technology from the old Roman Empire (sewage to channel, channel to river, river to ocean),
-to increase the green area (including mangroves) to 25-30%,so it can absorb the rain.
-to strenghten the coastline defense.

Seawall,if necessary, can come into consideration when the maintenance culture and sea and water pollution in Indonesia is on par with Netherlands. Otherwise, it would be a giant swamp.

 

[harryopal1]

Some numbers which are obviously debatable:

40% Proportion of Jakarta that lies below sea level

65% Proportion of Jakarta’s residents who rely on groundwater.

97% Amount of Jakarta that is covered by concrete and asphalt.

96% Proportion of Jakarta’s river water that is severely polluted, according to Indonesia’s National Development Planning Board (Bappenas).

25,000 Estimated number of fisherman who have been impacted so far.


If you‘re convinced the solution lies in avoiding the depletion of ground water, you have to take consistent measures. Small amounts of water are absorbed into the earth, leaving Jakarta’s aquifers unreplenished.

So that means control and/or stop all major developments, give all people access to clean piped water, remove kampungs (illegal shantytowns) and restore dedicated flooding areas.

The previous years have proven -once again- that political powers are too weak and corrupt to accomplish this.

Yes, but with all this Anies came up with the great idea of building 40 new Jakarta cities. Wow. Fabulous. Obviously nearly everyone voted for him proving the election was a fraud which is why he is contesting this in the courts.

 

[Bob]

Singapore has a long history of development, reclamation and big projects. Is Singapore not seen as a friendly neighbour or is that Singapore money would have doubts about investing in Indonesia?

Singapore invests quite a bit in Indonesia but I don't know that they have much expertise specific to Jakarta's (and Semarang's et al) situation. While they have done major reclamation work, they haven't dealt with subsidence on the scope of Jakarta's problem.