The Continuing Push of Indonesia's Radical Islamic Takeover

And that is a bad thing? Why?

It would be a great thing if they could pull it off. Unfortunantly it would be broadcasted as anti Muslim, not so much as anti religion and it would travel throughout not only the MUI but organizations like NU and others. They all would be onboard because it would threaten the power they currently have in the nation and the powers they see themselves getting as time goes by. They will not sit back peacefully and allow their powers or cash be taken away. They want to control the nation, not take a back seat. They are against progress and an increase in free thinking and openmindness that education can bring when one is allowed critical thinking. They have to use the anti-West rhetoric to keep the population dumb to the real world.

No, while it would be a good thing for Indonesia, it would be warfare with those that to oppose it.
 
There are many "moderate" Muslims. Whenever Islamism grows it becomes more difficult for all minorities and for all Muslims who don't agree with the Islamist narrow view(I realize within Islamism there are many shades of belief and disagreement). This is the part that seems to be growing. Room for one religion, stricter enforcement of blasphemy. greater intolerance and more violence. Yet there is a growing number who believe this. It is not limited by education, social standing or occupation.
 
No, while it would be a good thing for Indonesia, it would be warfare with those that to oppose it.

And maybe warfare will be necessary to deal with this issue. It will be interesting to see how lenient this gov't will be on Friday....
"Police spokesman Insp. Gen. Boy Rafli Amar told reporters at the National Police headquarters, adding that police officers would ensure that the demo did not descend into anarchy.​"

I'm in Jakarta but staying in my apartment on Friday with lots of beer, wine and grub.
 
There are many "moderate" Muslims. Whenever Islamism grows it becomes more difficult for all minorities and for all Muslims who don't agree with the Islamist narrow view(I realize within Islamism there are many shades of belief and disagreement). This is the part that seems to be growing. Room for one religion, stricter enforcement of blasphemy. greater intolerance and more violence. Yet there is a growing number who believe this. It is not limited by education, social standing or occupation.

If you look at the ones out there protesting in the streets and blocking people in the kampungs, you certainly can't say it is not influenced by lack of education, their social standings, or lack of occupation.

Besides those standing on top of my he kambing carts, who is present? The vast majority are the uneducated, those that lack social standing, and the unemployed or ones that work out of their houses or warwungs. If these people had actual jobs and abandoned them for protest, you would be hearing about it from businesses. Do you think any of these protesters are just up and leaving their offices to join in? I don't think so. Look at the outsiders who need to spend even more time with their to and from travels. These people come because transportation is normally offered along with water and meals. If they had to pay it themselves, they couldn't and would not attend.

The people backing these radicals in their protest and whatever are from the dumb downed population of being fed their lives will only change with god's will and that they are what they are because of gods will. Any dreams and asperations they may have had in their youth has been stripped away because god will decide and that dicission is, you are what you are and you just need to accept that.
 
If you look at the ones out there protesting in the streets and blocking people in the kampungs, you certainly can't say it is not influenced by lack of education, their social standings, or lack of occupation.
The people backing these radicals in their protest and whatever are from the dumb downed population of being fed their lives will only change with god's will and that they are what they are because of gods will. Any dreams and asperations they may have had in their youth has been stripped away because god will decide and that dicission is, you are what you are and you just need to accept that.

I am not talking about the demonstration but there are Islamists in the military, police, universities, business, kampungs etc. etc. etc.. I would say it is a myth that only poor uneducated people become Islamists.
 
I am not talking about the demonstration but there are Islamists in the military, police, universities, business, kampungs etc. etc. etc.. I would say it is a myth that only poor uneducated people become Islamists.
OK, any one that is a member of an Islamic religion is an Islamist. So, I take it you are talking about radical, hardline Islamist.

Of course they exist. Let's eliminate the police and military from the educated first since that really doesn't apply because you pay to get in there and many times you end up having to "repay" your benifactors.

universities and businesses. Those would relate more to the riders of the kambing carts. Leaders in the movement that forsee something in it for them. Normally leadership rolls that can be rather profitable.

Are there successful people with radical beliefs? Of course there is but in comparison to the uneducated, that is a tiny percentage. No, these hardliners need mass and it is in the uneducated they get that. Those easily fed a line to get them to follow. You can not have an army made up of educated people, they know when to say, nope, not ready to die, and lay down their weapons. No, the army is in the masses of uneducated. Those that are convinced that to be a martyr they receive the ultimate rewards.

You can say that there have been educated, successful people that have packed up their families and went to join ISIS. So far I have failed to see any interviews from the ones who reached their destinations. I wonder what their feelings are after finding they may not keep their wives or at least have to share them? When their daughters become communal property for the betterment of the cause? I have read this from others that returned. Perhaps, just because you were educated, you get a pass on this. Then again, maybe we don't read about it because they are never returning.
 
I quite agree FP, if these numpties weren't paid and fed there would be no demos, it's always been like this since day one, rather sad but true, most have no real idea what they are really there for, why educated people go to IS is a puzzle as it's a no hope achievement, it just seems a collecting point for psychotic loonies to go and commit horrendous acts against there fellow man in the name of a so called religion
 
Article in JP NU youth wing calls for rethinking of Islam. Examination of some of the texts which have been a source of conflict in order to combat rising intolerance in different Muslim majority countries.

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2017/04/03/nus-youth-wing-calls-for-rethinking-of-islam.html

Bla, bla, bla. Perhaps instead of saving the world they should start and work for change in their own back yard and not concern themselves with some outstretched ideas.
 
Bla, bla, bla. Perhaps instead of saving the world they should start and work for change in their own back yard and not concern themselves with some outstretched ideas.

They did have Indonesia on the list. I guess the radicals will lump them in with unbelievers but at least they are wanting to examine some of the texts.
 
Yeah
this candidate ran away from a debate challenge, previously he was an attention whore, said yes to almost all his supporters asked, including Syariah Jakarta rule
I begin to question a lot, including how he got his US Degree, like really, this guy has no integrity.
He could sell his mom for a right amount of money
 
If Anies is elected it really won't matter what he has said he would do as Governor. What he is saying to the people has no merit and he won't stand behind of it. He will be way too busy holding up his agreements to his financial and religious backers. Corruption will be the game and the hardliners will get their way.
 
Just have to wonder how much dirt they need to get this dirtbag behind bars
 
Just have to wonder how much dirt they need to get this dirtbag behind bars

My thoughts, right or wrong, are he won't be behind bars. There may be others behind bars at some point but he won't be one of them. I hope I am wrong.
 
This is about the dumbest thing to have come along in a while. I guess they just want to close the city to basically everyone. Monas can take center stage for the canning and the Grand mosque can be the place for the chopping of hands.

Political observers have slammed the idea of implementing Islamic law, or sharia, in the capital city, which has been promoted by gubernatorial candidate Anies Baswedan and his running mate Sandiaga Uno.

http://jakartaglobe.id/news/no-room-sharia-jakarta-observers/
 
This is about the dumbest thing to have come along in a while. I guess they just want to close the city to basically everyone. Monas can take center stage for the canning and the Grand mosque can be the place for the chopping of hands.



http://jakartaglobe.id/news/no-room-sharia-jakarta-observers/

I thought he wanted there to be one "halal tourism" district WITHIN the capital region, rather than implementing sharia law THROUGHOUT the region. Some neighborhoods in DKI Jakarta have <10% Muslim residents; implementing sharia there would be beyond ridiculous.
 
One of the pay backs to the hardliners for their support I guess. I think I have been calling this for quite a while, not that it took much intelligence to do so.
 
Last week's VICE News episode had an interesting segment on Sharia in Aceh and some imam in Jakarta praising ISIS.
 

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