Stone the crows. How will this go down in Bali?

[pantaiema]

The Indonesian Ministry of Foreign Affairs reports Bonnie Blue to British authorities over the insult to the Indonesian flag
Bonnie Blue Disrespects the Indonesian Flag is unacceptable.

She is behaving recklessly; the flag represents state symbol of authority. I suspect she has consulted her legal team, which might explain why she feels confident doing this publicly under UK law. She has even stated she will do it in front of the Indonesian Embassy in London. AFAIK, the UK has no specific law criminalising the public misused or even the tearing or destruction of a foreign national flag. Also she might gain financially as it is another publicity stunt for her.

If she did it in Indonesia, this justifies deportation or even punishment. But visa abuse alone is already a valid reason for deportation. But hosting an adult private party with consenting adults, where no one is harmed, no victims should not be grounds for punishment.

 

[pantaiema]

Another party in the style of Bonnie Blue e.g creating adult content for OF social media, but this time the French model Melisa Mireille Jeanine is using Indonesian “Gojek” themed concept involving another French participants and one Italian. They are reportedly being arrested, possibly because a few people who do not get invited are jealous and reported them to authorities .

There are laws regarding pornography and sex outside of marriage, but the issue may lie more with the laws themselves than with the individuals involved, since the activities took place in a private setting. All participants were consenting adults. This news are spread in social media but these are a few news from media outlets.

Tourists arrested in Bali after being accused of filming porn on the island

X-rated content is highly illegal in Indonesia and the tourists could face up to 10 years in prison if found guilty on the pornography charge and another six for online distribution.

nypost.com

https://www.abs-cbn.com/news/world/2026/3/17/indonesian-police-detain-three-europeans-accused-of-producing-porn-1343

https://www.newsflare.com/video/848967/french-onlyfans-model-arrested-in-bali-for-making-adult-videos

 

[jstar]

“They have misused the visa they have to make content in Bali.”

So if porn is not the issue, what about all the content creators who semi live on the island and get paid by IG, YouTube, TikTok, etc?

 

[pantaiema]

“They have misused the visa they have to make content in Bali.”

So if porn is not the issue, what about all the content creators who semi live on the island and get paid by IG, YouTube, TikTok, etc?

Well. many adult content creators from countries like the US, Australia, Canada, Japan, Korea, China travel to European cities such as Budapest, Prague, Barcelona, Madrid, Paris, Berlin, Moscow, Kiev etc using tourist visas, including access through the Schengen Area. The same is true with the other way around. Some critics argue that this is a misuse of visas, as they enter with tourist visas and these individuals are effectively working, earning income, and not officially registering their activities to pay the tax.

However, others point to the concept of “gedoogbeleid”, where certain actions are technically illegal but are tolerated in practice. In these cases, authorities may choose not to strictly enforce the law, especially when there are no clear victims and the cost of prosecution may outweigh any financial or social benefit to the government .Law enforcement may also be hesitant due to potential public backlash, with public / taxpayers accusing them of spending time on less critical matters with no real victims instead of prioritising more urgent issues like knife crime.

In Indonesia, a significantly larger number of foreigners on tourist visas or holding ITAS/ITAP permits are working as content creators and earning income through social media advertising. These kinds of activities are far more common than those involving individuals producing adult content, such as Bonnie and Melisa.

 

[jstar]

Bali Declared “Safe” by Governor After South Korea Travel Warning — But Concerns Over Tourist Crime Persist

DENPASAR, Bali — Bali’s governor has dismissed concerns following a travel warning issued by South Korea, insisting the island remains

heybali.info

And ‘our’ reply: ”Just ignore it, it will go away by itself. And now back to the ceremony.”

 

[harryopal1]

Bali Declared “Safe” by Governor After South Korea Travel Warning — But Concerns Over Tourist Crime Persist

DENPASAR, Bali — Bali’s governor has dismissed concerns following a travel warning issued by South Korea, insisting the island remains

heybali.info

And ‘our’ reply: ”Just ignore it, it will go away by itself. And now back to the ceremony.”

We live in an urban area in Goa Gong Bali and organic waste is now not to be put in garbage but no suggestions as to what to do with it. We don't have a garden so.... ?

 

[snpark]

We live in an urban area in Goa Gong Bali and organic waste is now not to be put in garbage but no suggestions as to what to do with it. We don't have a garden so.... ?

Love thy neighbour's garden

 

[pantaiema]

We live in an urban area in Goa Gong Bali and organic waste is now not to be put in garbage but no suggestions as to what to do with it. We don't have a garden so.... ?

If you’re prepared to spend a large sum, you could probably hire a private company to take care of it. But realistically, only a handful of people with more money than sense would consider that route.

Businesses in the restaurant and hospitality sectors likely deal with similar challenges, don’t they? It’s possible that they hire private waste collectors which might gain informal access to disposal facilities, perhaps through questionable means. Otherwise, individuals might try to manage the issue themselves. In some cases, this could lead to illegal dumping in rivers or along roadsides, unless the waste is simply kept at home, where it would eventually decompose and attract pests like maggots and rodents.

This issue has been intensively discussed in here. That is why people should not be blaming local people for dumping their waste into the river by the roadsides. At least it solves their own problems.

Waste Management in Indonesia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PET_bottle_recycling

www.expatindo.org

 

[centurion]

If you’re prepared to spend a large sum, you could probably hire a private company to take care of it. But realistically, only a handful of people with more money than sense would consider that route.

Businesses in the restaurant and hospitality sectors likely deal with similar challenges, don’t they? It’s possible that they hire private waste collectors which might gain informal access to disposal facilities, perhaps through questionable means. Otherwise, individuals might try to manage the issue themselves. In some cases, this could lead to illegal dumping in rivers or along roadsides, unless the waste is simply kept at home, where it would eventually decompose and attract pests like maggots and rodents.

This issue has been intensively discussed in here. That is why people should not be blaming local people for dumping their waste into the river by the roadsides. At least it solves their own problems.

Waste Management in Indonesia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PET_bottle_recycling

www.expatindo.org

This is one of the moments where the president could dismiss the governor and put the army in charge on the island.

 

[harryopal1]

This is one of the moments where the president could dismiss the governor and put the army in charge on the island.

Military governments usually turn out to be very poor governments. Hopeless at economic management and given to graft and looting. The excesses of military control would wipe Bali off the map as a tourist destination. This organic waste problem is critical. Unless well handled there could be an explosion of rats and a few interntionally circulated pics of rats would see an enormous drop off in tourism. The army might be employed to set up organic waste dump sites around the island and transport the waste but to where? Potentially organic waste could be used to develop compost but this would require a major commitment.

 

[jstar]

We live in an urban area in Goa Gong Bali and organic waste is now not to be put in garbage but no suggestions as to what to do with it. We don't have a garden so.... ?

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www.amazon.sg

 

[Bob]

This is one of the moments where the president could dismiss the governor and put the army in charge on the island.

What would be the benefit? There'd be a lot of downside.

 

[centurion]

Military governments usually turn out to be very poor governments. Hopeless at economic management and given to graft and looting. The excesses of military control would wipe Bali off the map as a tourist destination. This organic waste problem is critical. Unless well handled there could be an explosion of rats and a few interntionally circulated pics of rats would see an enormous drop off in tourism. The army might be employed to set up organic waste dump sites around the island and transport the waste but to where? Potentially organic waste could be used to develop compost but this would require a major commitment.
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Do you understand that the local government is not capable to handle this issue? What composting are you talking about? Soon the island will float in garbage. Bali needs processing facilities for garbage with proper filters if incinerators are in question to not pollute and intoxicate the population.

With the collected money from the tourist tax the problem should be long time solved.

6-12 months of military government or any other appointed person by the central government with extraordinary authorisations would be beneficial.

 

[snpark]

Actually at the very least he could send a few thousand there to clean up the beaches. That would look good. Bit of sun for them and some beefcakes for the tourists to ogle.

As long as they don't eat the school lunches they will be fine.

 

[centurion]

Actually at the very least he could send a few thousand there to clean up the beaches. That would look good. Bit of sun for them and some beefcakes for the tourists to ogle.

As long as they don't eat the school lunches they will be fine.

They don't have place where to send the garbage anyway, they can just burn it.

 

[snpark]

They don't have place where to send the garbage anyway, they can just burn it.

Don't we have a spare island we can dump it for now. Or build an incinerator. Or put it all into containers, load a ship, then halfway across the Atlantic ooopsy rough seas the ship was scuppered

 

[snpark]

Copyright copyright me 2026. For any rewards. Apart from if you come to sue me. It was Shadrach idea

 

[pantaiema]

Don't we have a spare island we can dump it for now. Or build an incinerator. Or put it all into containers, load a ship, then halfway across the Atlantic ooopsy rough seas the ship was scuppered

Singapore’s government has been doing that. They manage waste by incinerating non-recyclable trash on the mainland to reduce its volume, and then transporting the remaining ash to Semakau Landfill, located about 8 km offshore.

Now compare this with Indonesia. The country has vast landfill space and more than 17,000 islands, many of which are uninhabited. Adopting a proven system like Singapore’s should be an obvious solution so why hasn’t it been implemented?

Instead, priority seems to be given to projects like MBG (Free meal for school children), which appear to benefit only to the members of the “Merah Putih” coalition, the same coalition that allegedly supported the current president’s rise to power. The victim are school children, because the focus of SPPGs are for making profit rather than the well being of children. In Bali, there are also plans for developments such as a fast train and a new airport, while more fundamental issues like proper waste management infrastructure remain unaddressed.

This also raises questions about the tourist levy that Wayan Koster has been collecting since 2022. Aside from Komodo Island, which operates under different conditions, Bali is the only province in Indonesia imposing such a levy. Where has that money gone?

Before introducing severe measures like the death penalty or asset confiscation laws, there should be not be any project to be approved. Otherwise, major projects risk benefiting only a small group of people rather than serving the public interest.

 

[snpark]

Isn't there a Scandinavian country that's crying out for waste because their incinerator is TOO efficient?

Sweden is the Scandinavian country that wants and needs more waste to incinerate.
Because of its highly efficient, state-of-the-art waste-to-energy (WTE) program, which results in less than 1% of household waste going to landfills, Sweden has run out of its own trash to fuel its 34 waste-to-energy plants.
Here are the key details:
Importing Garbage: Sweden imports approximately 1.3 to 2 million tons of waste annually from other countries, including Norway, the UK, and Italy.
A Profitable Business: Other countries actually pay Sweden to take their waste, allowing Sweden to secure cheap fuel for their district heating systems while generating revenue.
Energy Production: These plants convert waste into electricity and heat, providing heat for about 810,000 households and electricity for 250,000 homes in Sweden.
The "Waste War": Norway, in particular, often sends its waste to Sweden because Swedish plants have overcapacity and offer more cost-effective disposal options than in Norway, sometimes described as a "Nordic waste war" where Norwegian trucks drive past their own plants to reach Sweden.
While Sweden leads in this area, Denmark has also historically been a major incinerator of waste, but it is currently aiming to reduce its incineration capacity to align with climate goals

 

[pantaiema]

Isn't there a Scandinavian country that's crying out for waste because their incinerator is TOO efficient?

Sweden is the Scandinavian country that wants and needs more waste to incinerate.
Because of its highly efficient, state-of-the-art waste-to-energy (WTE) program, which results in less than 1% of household waste going to landfills, Sweden has run out of its own trash to fuel its 34 waste-to-energy plants.
Here are the key details:
Importing Garbage: Sweden imports approximately 1.3 to 2 million tons of waste annually from other countries, including Norway, the UK, and Italy.
A Profitable Business: Other countries actually pay Sweden to take their waste, allowing Sweden to secure cheap fuel for their district heating systems while generating revenue.
Energy Production: These plants convert waste into electricity and heat, providing heat for about 810,000 households and electricity for 250,000 homes in Sweden.
The "Waste War": Norway, in particular, often sends its waste to Sweden because Swedish plants have overcapacity and offer more cost-effective disposal options than in Norway, sometimes described as a "Nordic waste war" where Norwegian trucks drive past their own plants to reach Sweden.
While Sweden leads in this area, Denmark has also historically been a major incinerator of waste, but it is currently aiming to reduce its incineration capacity to align with climate goals

Singapore and Sweden both use advanced waste to energy (WtE) incineration systems. These are not simple furnaces, but highly engineered facilities equipped with sophisticated emissions control technologies designed to limit pollutants such as dioxins, particulates, and heavy metals. As a result, it is costly to purchase and operate.

In Sweden, WtE is particularly efficient because it is integrated into district heating networks. The recovered heat is distributed to buildings during cold winters, significantly improving overall energy efficiency and economic viability. In contrast, Singapore and similarly Indonesia does not have a winter climate, so it cannot utilise district heating, which reduces one of the major efficiency advantages of the Swedish model.

From a policy perspective, Indonesia IMO could selectively adopt elements of Singapore’s approach, which has been relatively successful in managing limited land availability and reducing landfill dependence.

But Indonesia’s first and most critical step should be comprehensive waste segregation. Without proper separation of organic waste, recyclables, and residual waste, incineration systems become less efficient, more polluting, and more expensive to operate. Indonesia could benefit from a massive landfill and use a few of their 17k+ unoccupied islands to dispose the remaining ash.