Smoking...

[Bad_azz]

The proposed price hike on ciggies will have a massive impact one way or another if it goes ahead & let's face it, it will likely go ahead.
I am curious how it will affect my neighbourhood- as we have fields full of tobacco all around us.
Will the workers get double pay if the price more than doubles?

Will it create so much unrest amongst the masses (& to be fair - masses are smokers here) that it stirs up riots?

Will it have a positive or negative impact on the economy?

I'm not really interested in the age old "I hate smokers & smoking " POVs .
I am more interested in the perceived economical/social impact.

http://bisniskeuangan.kompas.com/re...naik.hingga.rp.50.000.ini.tanggapan.sampoerna

Let's face it the rich boys making the rules in Jakarta won't notice the effect on their pockets.

 

[Bad_azz]

Apparently Alphamart not far from us has already put their prices up. I think I will go to the grosir tomorrow to check out the wholesale prices because I reckon Alphamart has jumped the gun a bit- greedy buggers.

 

[fastpitch17]

People are posting on facebook that the prices rise tomorrow. Predicting 50,000 to 200,000 a pack. Bunch of crazies. It will go up but nowhere near that.

I think you already know the answer about farmers getting more. They won't. Riots, that will depend on the price but expect theft to go up.

 

[Bad_azz]

People are posting on facebook that the prices rise tomorrow. Predicting 50,000 to 200,000 a pack. Bunch of crazies. It will go up but nowhere near that.

I think you already know the answer about farmers getting more. They won't. Riots, that will depend on the price but expect theft to go up.

We have just been selecting our night-raid outfits haha

 

[fastpitch17]

We have just been selecting our night-raid outfits haha

Offence or defense?

 

[Bad_azz]

Offence or defense?

for slipping into the fields unseen and availing ourselves of a few leaves

Actually the old guy who works there sells bundles to us at 25,000 a kilo.

 

[fastpitch17]

for slipping into the fields unseen and availing ourselves of a few leaves

Actually the old guy who works there sells bundles to us at 25,000 a kilo.

Make your own cigars. Roll them tight.

 

[fastpitch17]

Has anyone officially actually come out and stated their would be an increase tomorrow?

 

[Bad_azz]

Make your own cigars. Roll them tight.

We have done. But for me , I'll just stop smoking - no big deal.
Rollies are too much hassle.

 

[Jaime C]

Aren't a great deal of the cigarettes hand rolled types? (Kretek?) Not taxed at all, if I recall right.

 

[Bad_azz]

Aren't a great deal of the cigarettes hand rolled types? (Kretek?) Not taxed at all, if I recall right.

They are all taxed JC
The kretek are factory produced, not hand rolled per se.

They don't have filters in them.
But hubby buys tobacco and cengkeh (?? spelling) and mixes it up and rolls his own.

 

[nosox]

if they go up it will be the nudge I need to quit. That'll save me 1juta per month on Dunhills.

 

[fastpitch17]

No raise yet. maybe 1st of the year.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/...stry-yet-to-confirm-new-cigarette-prices.html

 

[Bad_azz]

I have just communicated with Atlantis re this thread - and as it hasn't become contentious (as I feared it might), I agree that it can go on the ordinary board... so if the admin & mods can uncage it - that is fine by me xx

 

[atlantis]

Done, BA. Thanks.
It's an interesting topic and caging it would have preclude many, non Cage member, to read and/or participate in it.

 

[Bad_azz]

It is such a large industry here- not just the farmers, but the production plants are potentially going to be adversely affected.
I do believe that many people will quit or take to growing the tobacco themselves.
Or that it will set off a black market in tobacco leaf sales.
What I think will happen is that the govt will not get the revenue it is projecting.

 

[fastpitch17]

It is such a large industry here- not just the farmers, but the production plants are potentially going to be adversely affected.
I do believe that many people will quit or take to growing the tobacco themselves.
Or that it will set off a black market in tobacco leaf sales.
What I think will happen is that the govt will not get the revenue it is projecting.

I think producers in other SE Asian countries are already planning increases in production to load the boats to smuggle into Indonesia. Black market will be a big thing in smokes I think.

 

[Bad_azz]

I think producers in other SE Asian countries are already planning increases in production to load the boats to smuggle into Indonesia. Black market will be a big thing in smokes I think.

I was thinking more along the lines that the guys working in the fields will be selling more leaves privately instead of them going in the bundles on the truck to the factory.

 

[fastpitch17]

I was thinking more along the lines that the guys working in the fields will be selling more leaves privately instead of them going in the bundles on the truck to the factory.

There will be that too but other countries already have the production facilities and can turn out brands already known.

 

[scouser59]

last I heard the industry employs around 300,000 people , ie farmers factories distribution etc , for sure the multinationals will pull out philip morris at the sampoerna plants lost 5000 after the last small price rise .

because the economy here is so strong sic ! when the plants close there will be a lot of people unemployed , good luck to them !

lets not forget the tax revenue for the government , which will disappear..

A classic case of "shooting oneself in the foot"