Plan B

[vocalneal]

then we go to lake Toba and surround us with Batak's, as my wife is originally from there.

Horas! Ah yes the garden of Eden? Well maybe not but never the less a nice place. I have fond memories and a mark on my elbow from dropping my bike.

 

[Daniel50]

I ran across some articles about some pastors and someone accused of spreading Shia Islam going missing in Malaysia. The initial report I read was on BBC and they said there were several black suv's blocking the pastors car in daylight. It was recorded on cctv cameras and there has been no progress in the cases. This case was right around KL.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39252139

It was also updated by DW

http://www.dw.com/en/unexplained-abductions-in-malaysia-raise-concerns/a-38954316

 

[vocalneal]

OT but religious people or "god botherers" should not try to convert others to their beliefs. Just quietly believe what they believe and leave everyone else alone.

 

[Daniel50]

OT but religious people or "god botherers" should not try to convert others to their beliefs. Just quietly believe what they believe and leave everyone else alone.

People should be allowed to believe, or not, as they choose. Just because someone believes differently does not mean they should be attacked. If someone wants to change religion, or have no religion, it should not be a crime.

 

[vocalneal]

Just because someone believes differently does not mean they should be attacked.

Even soccer fans do that? So if choosing Toba make sure you support Amborita United.

 

[Anglian]

Even soccer fans do that? So if choosing Toba make sure you support Amborita United.

Some people say football is a religion

 

[vocalneal]

^ That was my point but thanks for pointing it out.

 

[Daniel50]

Yes, if a person is able to be indifferent to most things around them that don't directly effect them, then all is well. However, the more the uncertainty the more possibility for being "randomly" effected.