No premium SPBU

[waarmstrong]

The gas (Regular) most folks use here in Pella (Midwest USA) rated at 87 octane, includes 10% alcohol. One of my cars has a high compression engine requiring a minimum octane rating of 93. The best you can get in Pella is 91. In the big city of Des Moines (150,000 or so) 40 miles away, 93 or better octane gas can be found, but its a pain in the ass to always be worried about remembering filling up on the way home.

PS if you want to find the best gas price around here, just punch up gasbuddy.com or autoblog.com.

 

[Smallworld]

I think Premium is pertalite with the octane removed. I read it is cheaper then premium because of the process involved to change it.

5 Jan 2017

• Premium dari Rp 6,550 per liter
• Pertalite dari Rp 7.350 per liter

Prices on petrol station doesn't confirm your theory. Pertalite is slightly more expensive.

 

[fastpitch17]

Prices on petrol station doesn't confirm your theory. Pertalite is slightly more expensive.

I never said it cost less at the pump.

 

[Smallworld]

Just now I got some premium on one of the SPBUs in Lippo Cikarang. So still not sure if there is a logistic / supply problem or something else.

However the premium with its price was removed from the pole sign.

 

[sumyunggai]

The gas (Regular) most folks use here in Pella (Midwest USA) rated at 87 octane, includes 10% alcohol. One of my cars has a high compression engine requiring a minimum octane rating of 93. The best you can get in Pella is 91. In the big city of Des Moines (150,000 or so) 40 miles away, 93 or better octane gas can be found, but its a pain in the ass to always be worried about remembering filling up on the way home.

This is not strictly accurate.

The US has many stupid measuring systems (cups, pounds, Fahrenheit, ounces, quarts), and the one used for octane is another.

European gasoline octane is measured in RON. In the UK the choices are 95 RON and 98 RON

US gasoline octane is measured in PON/AKI. This is the average of the RON and MON. MON is a number typically 10 lower (although it can vary) than RON. Therefore you can typically add 5 to a PON to get the RON.

87 octane gasoline in the US is 92 RON in Indonesia or Europe.

So you have, in RON:

Indonesian Premium RON 88
Indonesian Pertalite RON 90
Indonesian Pertamax = Indonesian Shell Super = US regular RON 92
Indonesian Shell-V-Power = UK regular = US 91 RON 95
UK super 98 = US 93

So as Indonesian gasoline has (some of?) the lowest octane ratings in the world it makes lower compression ratios and less efficient engines necessary.

 

[waarmstrong]

I understand you enjoy denigrating US measurement norms, but they are the norms and auto manufactures use the US octane measurement system to inform US buyers of the fuel recommended for best performance. Interesting to learn the comparative differences among the various rating jurisdictions and measurement systems, but pretty much irrelevant and useless when searching for the fuel best for my car in the US.

 

[sumyunggai]

I understand you enjoy denigrating US measurement norms, but they are the norms and auto manufactures use the US octane measurement system to inform US buyers of the fuel recommended for best performance. Interesting to learn the comparative differences among the various rating jurisdictions and measurement systems, but pretty much irrelevant and useless when searching for the fuel best for my car in the US.

A couple of the previous posts observed that Premium has the world's lowest octane, and that Premium = 88 octane.

So your post referring to '87 octane' without any clarification that it's a different scale and actually equivalent to Indonesian 'high octane' fuel (Pertamax) was quite misleading.

 

[fastpitch17]

Gee, I understood Waarme perfectly. Of course the US has different measuring norms. That's one of the things that make them special and they don't go around belittling other's norms. You missed the point of ethanol being added at 15%. If Waarme went out for a drive during the growing season to get that 93 octain gas, he would get to drive past fields and fields of ethanol plants. While he's doing that you could sit down and calculate for us the pluses and minuses of said product from a non American standpoint.

 

[sumyunggai]

Gee, I understood Waarme perfectly

It was nonsensical though. It's like this conversation

'Wow, Jakarta is so hot, it's 35 degrees today'

'Wow, really, that's amazing - Minneapolis is warm too, at 35 degrees today'

except one person means 35 Celsius, the other 35 Fahrenheit. You can't just throw in numbers on a different scale without clarifying that, nor is it reasonable to expect other people to know that you have your own special scale not used by the rest of the world.

You missed the point of ethanol being added at 15%. If Waarme went out for a drive during the growing season to get that 93 octain gas, he would get to drive past fields and fields of ethanol plants. While he's doing that you could sit down and calculate for us the pluses and minuses of said product from a non American standpoint.

I thought he said 10% and I assumed the point was that the ethanol dilution reduced the octane of the fuel; this is actually not the case, as ethanol has higher octane than gasoline.

 

[Davita]

I was also confused by Waarmy's post and I lived in Arizona for over 8 years. I had a Cadillac which needed higher grade petrol but was unaware of octane values being different. i just used the value stated in the handbook.

If Waarmy had clarified that octane value in USA was different to Indonesia we'd all be wiser and no argument would ensue.

Sumyunggai posted that difference, which made everything more understandable, so I'd personally like to say "thank you."

 

[dafluff]

Sumyunggai posted that difference, which made everything more understandable, so I'd personally like to say "thank you."

Ahem....I posted the difference in post #5 before him....

 

[Davita]

Ahem....I posted the difference in post #5 before him....

So you did dafluff and sorry I missed that...but it brings another point. You said Pertalite is no good but my Avanza Veloz says it requires min. 90 octane (RON). I used to tell my driver to mix Premium with Pertamax but now he just fills with Pertalite...perfect.

 

[dafluff]

So you did dafluff and sorry I missed that...but it brings another point. You said Pertalite is no good but my Avanza Veloz says it requires min. 90 octane (RON). I used to tell my driver to mix Premium with Pertamax but now he just fills with Pertalite...perfect.

Most regular Japanese cars can take 90 RON. I think that is the standard grade in Japan. I didn't say it's no good, but it is kinda dumb to have it if you already have 88 and 93.

But if they phase out Premium and Pertamax Plus, it will be 90, 93 and 98, which is reasonable.

 

[fastpitch17]

Sumyunggai posted that difference, which made everything more understandable, so I'd personally like to say "thank you."

I think you are suppose to click on that "Thanks" thumb up symbol on the bottom left of the post for forum etiquette.

 

[waarmstrong]

I was also confused by Waarmy's post and I lived in Arizona for over 8 years. I had a Cadillac which needed higher grade petrol but was unaware of octane values being different. i just used the value stated in the handbook.

If Waarmy had clarified that octane value in USA was different to Indonesia we'd all be wiser and no argument would ensue.

Sumyunggai posted that difference, which made everything more understandable, so I'd personally like to say "thank you."

Sorry for the confusion. In my defense, I did mention that I was in the Midwestern USA and forgive me for assuming that members of this Forum for the most part are familiar with the lay of the land in terms of measurement conventions around the world. I did not presume to compare what's best or more accurate; I was simply recounting my experience in obtaining the recommended fuel for my car.

It's quite denigrating to suggest that members don't know the difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit, almost as presumptuous as to instruct members that apples in Jakarta selling for 37,000 per Kg (2 lb.) is measured in Rupiah rather than US dollars. I don't appreciate being talked down to; there are ways to get your point across without projecting a know-it-all air of superiority.

 

[Wisnu]

just bought premium on the spbu jl. Teropong raya.

 

[Smallworld]

just bought premium on the spbu jl. Teropong raya.

Thanks for the update Winsu.

 

[Davita]

Sorry for the confusion. In my defense, I did mention that I was in the Midwestern USA and forgive me for assuming that members of this Forum for the most part are familiar with the lay of the land in terms of measurement conventions around the world. I did not presume to compare what's best or more accurate; I was simply recounting my experience in obtaining the recommended fuel for my car.

It's quite denigrating to suggest that members don't know the difference between Celsius and Fahrenheit, almost as presumptuous as to instruct members that apples in Jakarta selling for 37,000 per Kg (2 lb.) is measured in Rupiah rather than US dollars. I don't appreciate being talked down to; there are ways to get your point across without projecting a know-it-all air of superiority.

If you are now living in Midwest USA it is understandable you think everyone should bend to your rational thinking that other members are supposed to understand your local lingo....but most members are not from USA, and most live in Indonesia, where the metric system prevails.

Sumyunggai explained well the difference so we here in Indonesia could understand.....and I simply agreed.

Your post #35 quotes my post #30 but appears to respond to other posts....and therefore isn't clear. I suggest you should clarify who you are responding to, or multi-post, so your message is better identified.

 

[waarmstrong]

If you are now living in Midwest USA it is understandable you think everyone should bend to your rational thinking that other members are supposed to understand your local lingo....but most members are not from USA, and most live in Indonesia, where the metric system prevails.

Sumyunggai explained well the difference so we here in Indonesia could understand.....and I simply agreed.

Your post #35 quotes my post #30 but appears to respond to other posts....and therefore isn't clear. I suggest you should clarify who you are responding to, or multi-post, so your message is better identified.

Again, sorry for the confusion. Let me assure you there is no "if" about it; I said at the beginning I was in the Midwestern USA. I cannot find where I suggested that my comments applied to or should be compared to other places. I was not responding to anyone; I was merely explaining my own troubles in finding the correct grade of fuel for my own cars.

What Sumyunggai explained was indeed instructive and interesting from a comparative reference point, but he also said my statements were inaccurate. It was accurate. The way Americans measure the quality of their fuel is certainly different, but gist of my post -- that it is hard to find high octane fuel -- is understandable in any lingo.

Incidentally, most expats and Indonesians on this forum understand that America clings to its own system and refuses to follow most of the rest of the world in adopting the metric system. I think you are selling the members short by suggesting otherwise. Besides, that really has nothing to do with this discussion.

 

[Davita]

Again, sorry for the confusion. Let me assure you there is no "if" about it; I said at the beginning I was in the Midwestern USA. I cannot find where I suggested that my comments applied to or should be compared to other places. I was not responding to anyone; I was merely explaining my own troubles in finding the correct grade of fuel for my own cars.

What Sumyunggai explained was indeed instructive and interesting from a comparative reference point, but he also said my statements were inaccurate. It was accurate. The way Americans measure the quality of their fuel is certainly different, but gist of my post -- that it is hard to find high octane fuel -- is understandable in any lingo.

Incidentally, most expats and Indonesians on this forum understand that America clings to its own system and refuses to follow most of the rest of the world in adopting the metric system. I think you are selling the members short by suggesting otherwise. Besides, that really has nothing to do with this discussion.

I accept your apology for your confusion. If you were not responding to anyone why quote my post in post #35 . I think you must have mistakenly quoted me instead of quoting and commenting on Sumyunggai's post #29.

BTW I really don't care where you live so there is no need for your explanation.