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there are locals that spent 5 years studying in the US or Australia or somewhereI'm so confused by this sentence
there are locals that spent 5 years studying in the US or Australia or somewhereI'm so confused by this sentence
Hahaha.Can you guarantee its all genuine? Tax paid? Etc
I think you're being perhaps harsh with him. If I would agree that the wine selection is poor and very unattractive, the price of a few spirits like Bacardi, Cointreau, Jose Cuevo Reposado or Bombay Sapphire are correctly priced for JKT for example.I have to be honest. There's nothing about your shop that is attractive. Prices are quite high, delivery is beyond slow, and hours of operation is highly limited. I know a guy that can get me a Glenlivet 12 700ml for 725K, and it'll show up at my door in less than an hour, even if I order at 3 a.m.
Short answer, no.Just out of curiosity, has anyone tried this,
Sababay Reserve Red Wine 750ml?
Is it any good?
Thanks. Could I get a name for the wine? I'm a a bit of a cheapskate and the word of a Frogman would set my heart at ease.Short answer, no.
And at 280K it's a robbery, and I am being polite.
You could get a decent Chilean wine for even slightly less than that. I know someone in Manado who market these wine for less than that price despite the ongkir from JKT to MDC. So if you look around I doubt you can't find even cheaper in JKT.
And someone has to explain me why a locally produced wine, which is hit not at all by the same amount of taxes and excises, is sold at a price superior of a legally imported wine of higher quality?
What? Who said greediness??? Noooo, must be another explanation...
Yes...I agree it's stupid and many Indonesians would prefer to buy similar prices (or slightly higher) foreign wines vs local...so logically it doesn't make sense, to me anyway, to sell local wines at the same price as imported ones...but somebody who used to work for Hatten told me that they don't make as much profit as we think since even though the grapes are grown here, the investment in infrastructure (tanks, etc) and expensive yeast imported from France and even the wine bottles making it not cost effective for them. Maybe he was bs-ing...And someone has to explain me why a locally produced wine, which is hit not at all by the same amount of taxes and excises, is sold at a price superior of a legally imported wine of higher quality?
What? Who said greediness??? Noooo, must be another explanation...
Yes.Maybe he was bs-ing...
Locate a Vines Indonesia outlet. They have a Paso Grande in promotion @ Rp 235K / btl if you buy two. The Carmenere, Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot are all 3 decent for the price and if you enjoy White, the Chardonnay is also good. They also have some Australian one in the 280K range, however stay away from the Wombat Creek they have (any grape), they are 2016 and 2017 vintage and are not a wine supposed to seat that long in the Warehouse of a tropical country, even though if it is properly equipped. The Rawson Retreat, another Aussie wine, is sold 280K in promotion till the end of this month. It's also a decent choice. Not exceptional but again considering it's the same price than the Sababay featured by the Op I am certain you will light a candle and do a prayer to have avoided being poisoned.Thanks. Could I get a name for the wine? I'm a a bit of a cheapskate and the word of a Frogman would set my heart at ease.
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as stated, drinks that are available there are tasted, would love to put some lovely france or italian wine just based on some internet review but i do believe taste vary accordingly.I think you're being perhaps harsh with him. If I would agree that the wine selection is poor and very unattractive, the price of a few spirits like Bacardi, Cointreau, Jose Cuevo Reposado or Bombay Sapphire are correctly priced for JKT for example.
Knowing someone who can get you a Glenlivet for 800K to reach a conclusion on the whole deal has little meaning to be honest. From the own admittance of the ketua of the organisation of alcohol resellers a few years ago, 95% of spirit sold in Indonesia was smuggled. With this in mind, finding a Glenlivet or any other booze for the price of a couple of karung of rice is not too hard if you have the connection.
I regularly meet with representatives of alcohol importers and ALL, within minutes of a discussion, have proposed me product non CK (no tax paid but with a magnificent "genuine" excise tape attached on all bottles). A few years ago, two travelers back from a trip to China got caught in Soekarno Hatta with two coppers full of " genuine excise tape". A bit of an embarassment for the booze industry.If these two got caught, many others weren't. Heck, a few month ago I even had a representative of one of the biggest importer telling me that they had almost no stock of legal booze (I was asking for very common brands like Bacardi, Absolut, JW...etc), but could provide as much as I want/need of smuggled stuff.
The main smuggling route is from Singapore to Batam, where the containers seat for a while, time to get their pita cukai attached, then booze is sent to some of the distributors throughout the archipelago. A second route, which was till a few years ago incredibly busy in my region, is from The Philippines. Some of the warungs here still get propose 250ml bottles of Rum tanduay for 30K, but it becomes rare. Bottles of 1L of Johnnie Walker Red could easily be found for well under 400K...etc
In the early month of COVID good deals for genuine and legal Australian, Chilean or US wine could be found, with bottles under 200K. Some importers quickly reacted and sold off wines which were seating in their warehouses for too long.
To the OP: if I can give you a kind advise, don't feature a Sababay Lutdisia or Reserve and say "we truly believe in our selected items which means all the items there are tasted and carefully selected bottles that we find best in their categories, so i might be able to help you find suitable bottles". Bad marketing, imho. It talks really bad about your wine knowledge. In my home country, a guy producing such piss would be tight on a pole and gunned down at dawn.
absolutely man i agree. that's the beauty.I immediately send a letter of complain to the Robert Parker guide of wine to have omitted Indonesian wines in the latest edition. Having been a subscriber for over 3 decades I find the omission unacceptable and will advocate for both Ludisia and Reserve to be granted a 90+ note on the next edition.
But I agree with you, taste vary accordingly. Some advocate that Budi's burger and fries in Jalan Jaksa does the greatest burger and kentang goreng on earth.![]()
The conversation resolved itself of its own volition. You're jumping in and coming to the rescue for someone calling a forum member a "troll" for disliking Corona beer and inquiring about other imports. It's a fair opinion and question. Then, instead of addressing the ubiquitous practice of same-day 24-hour delivery and why they can't offer it, they accuse me of lying.I think you're being perhaps harsh with him. If I would agree that the wine selection is poor and very unattractive, the price of a few spirits like Bacardi, Cointreau, Jose Cuevo Reposado or Bombay Sapphire are correctly priced for JKT for example.
Knowing someone who can get you a Glenlivet for 800K to reach a conclusion on the whole deal has little meaning to be honest. From the own admittance of the ketua of the organisation of alcohol resellers a few years ago, 95% of spirit sold in Indonesia was smuggled. With this in mind, finding a Glenlivet or any other booze for the price of a couple of karung of rice is not too hard if you have the connection.
I regularly meet with representatives of alcohol importers and ALL, within minutes of a discussion, have proposed me product non CK (no tax paid but with a magnificent "genuine" excise tape attached on all bottles). A few years ago, two travelers back from a trip to China got caught in Soekarno Hatta with two coppers full of " genuine excise tape". A bit of an embarassment for the booze industry.If these two got caught, many others weren't/aren't. Heck, a few month ago I even had a representative of one of the biggest importer telling me that they had almost no stock of legal booze (I was asking for very common brands like Bacardi, Absolut, JW...etc), but could provide as much as I want/need of smuggled stuff.
The main smuggling route is from Singapore to Batam, where the containers seat for a while, time to get their pita cukai attached, then booze is sent to some of the distributors throughout the archipelago. A second route, which was till a few years ago incredibly busy in my region, is from The Philippines. Some of the warungs here still propose 250ml bottles of Rum Tanduay for 30K, but it becomes rare. Bottles of 1L of Johnnie Walker Red could easily be found for well under 400K...etc
In the early month of COVID good deals for genuine and legal Australian, Chilean or US wine could be found, with bottles under 200K. Some importers quickly reacted and sold off wines which were seating in their warehouses for too long.
To the OP: if I can give you a kind advise, don't feature a Sababay Ludisia or Reserve and say "we truly believe in our selected items which means all the items there are tasted and carefully selected bottles that we find best in their categories, so i might be able to help you find suitable bottles". Bad marketing, imho. It talks really bad about your wine knowledge. In my home country, a guy producing such piss would be tight on a pole and gunned down at dawn.
my point exactly, since im trying to be the adult here was afraid to imply that and offend him. might lead to other personal attack that considered as a "positive feedback".You are entitled to your own opinion on how we moderate the forum, Dharma Police. Personally, I don't believe a minute that the OP has infringed our posting guidelines.
Someone () in the thread advised the OP "to grow thicker skin". If you have been offended by his comment about trolling, perhaps you should consider the advise.
if you would be so kind, please give me your guy contact info. im sure it will be much more beneficial for me or others that might be in need of on demand booze delivered rather than just keep lashing out.The conversation resolved itself of its own volition. You're jumping in and coming to the rescue for someone calling a forum member a "troll" for disliking Corona beer and inquiring about other imports. It's a fair opinion and question. Then, instead of addressing the ubiquitous practice of same-day 24-hour delivery and why they can't offer it, they accuse me of lying.
As a moderator, you should be fair and discourage such petty behavior.
Sudah jo... Please agree to disagree folks and let's move on!
People can private message me, and I'll happily give them the number(s) and menu(s). I'm not sure why you think it's impossible that there are prompt, 24-hour liquor delivery shops. It's fine to base that on personal experience, but to completely disbelieve it instead of seeing them as your competitors is asinine.if you would be so kind, please give me your guy contact info. im sure it will be much more beneficial for me or others that might be in need of on demand booze delivered rather than just keep lashing out.
all im stating is that your statement is misleading and you get all worked updon't know why.
To be honest I wouldn't class any of them as beers hahaha- 25 years of UK bar work under my belt too... I would say they were lagers. Stella used to be my 'beer' of choice - now & then I do get an urge for a glass.And all you listed was a bottle of piss. So no real beer like Asaihi, Krillian, Chang, Sappora, Stella, Tennents, Red Stripe, or Shiner Bock?
To my knowledge only white sambuca is imported in Indonesia. Vaccari brand, which is pretty nice and deep, was imported by PT Pancaniaga Indoperkasa but I am not even sure it is still.Anyone ever seen black sambuca here? that is one of the few boozy drinks I bother with these days & struggle to find it.
Oh & apple sourz stuff, that is quite nice too.